Zoning battle update
Posted by Matt Yonke on Thursday, July 31st, 2008
The struggle to bring the truth about Planned Parenthood's reckless entrance into Aurora is going strong in the courts. On July 1, 2008, the City of Aurora issued Planned Parenthood a Permanent Occupancy Permit replacing the temporary permit they had been operating under until now.
With such serious doubts about the zoning of the building, a nine count law suit in State Court, the obvious question here is why would the city issue a final permit in such a disputed case?
To find out the answer to that question, attorneys Tom Brejcha and Peter Breen from the Thomas More Society, Chicago have brought complaints to both the Zoning board of Appeals and the Building Code Board of Appeals to challenge the permit.
Last night was scheduled to be the first hearing before Aurora's Building Code Board of Appeals. Unfortunately, despite the fact that the hearing was scheduled at the board's convenience, two of the members failed to appear. Unable to call a quorum without at least four members, the hearing was not allowed to take place.
Dates were set, though not officially on the record, for how the hearings will proceed and the next hearing (though actually the first) will take place on September 10, at 5 p.m. in the Aurora City Council Chambers.
So while nothing happened to speak of last night, the wheels are in motion. We will keep you up to date on further developments as they occur.
They only good thing about the meeting was I got to sit in a nice air conditioned building after praying and counseling at the abortion mill. Also, I got to see the adorable sweet smiling face of Roger and Elizabeth's little girl. Children are so pure, I see Jesus Himself in every child's face. I will never be able to comprehend the fact that abortion exists. IT IS SO VERY WRONG no matter how hard someone tries to justify it.
P l e a s e, do not kill the children!
July 31st, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Thank you for continuing to fight the good fight against the baby shredders.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:44 am
Such harsh words from a so-called christian truthseeker.Have you ever considered anger management?Sounds like you might need it.Baby shredders?It's a shame that you have to resort to name calling.At least Karen sounds more like someone who actually is a believer that she may be able to do some good.I am still pro-choice however I am NOT anti-pro-life.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Kathy,
You'll see that a lot from Truthseeker. For whatever reason, he's not censored for name calling or distortions.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Of course not because he's not pro-choice so he can say what he wants.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 pm
"kathy says: Of course not because he's not pro-choice so he can say what he wants."
Speaking of distortions…
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:44 am
This is one of the best talks I have ever heard! You can get a FREE CD of the talk at…
a Contraception Why Not? by Dr. Janet Smith.
(Look in the top upper left of the screen)
Make sure you order it for yourself, family and friends!
Mike
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:59 am
Distortions??????????Is it not true that pro life doesn't get censored but pro-choice does?But then again this is your site so you can be as unfair as you like!!!
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
After all, at the end of the day YOU have a CHOICE!!:}Too bad you don't think EVERYONE should have that privelege!
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
After all, at the end of the day YOU have a CHOICE!!:}Too bad you don't think EVERYONE should have that privelege!
Kathy,
Are you "Pro-Choice"? …
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=86000
Mike
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:50 pm
a 2008 Face The Truth Tour Results.
Mike
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:48 pm
k"athy says: Distortions??????????Is it not true that pro life doesn't get censored but pro-choice does?But then again this is your site so you can be as unfair as you like!!!"
Actually, it is not true- the moderators (people like Matt, Eric, etc.) monitor the comment section quite closely and are just as likely to shut off the comment function and scold posters who are pro-life.
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Kathy/ Student:
What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?
Are you afraid of the truth about what you stand for and defend so staunchly?
August 4th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Ramir,
I had a post removed "for personal attack" last week. I said nothing different than what's been posted here. As you say, "What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?" When a PL does so, it passes muster with the board. When someone PC does so, it's censored. But like Kathy said, it's your board so censor whatever you disagree with. There's not much anyone can do about it.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Aurora resident, I'm sorry but I don't think I read your post before it was removed…I am not part of the website support and would not have any authorization over anybody's post.
I am a simple resident of Aurora (like you) that supports the effort of this blog to shut down PP.
Is it a "personal attack" to call PP on something it does and does very well? OR is it (as jack nocholson puts it) that you can't handle the Truth??
August 4th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Let me ask you this Ramir, when you attempt to "counsel" a woman going into PP, do you use words like "baby shredding" in your conversation? Do you think this is a good way to "counsel" someone? Is this the non-judgmental tone you take with women?
As to the truth, I don't think you know it. You use language not to inform, but as a weapon. Sorry, "baby shredding" is simply inaccurate.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Mike,
That poll was ridiculous but then again most of the things PL uses for examples are.You know very well what Pro-Choice stands for so why would you even wonder.Pro-Choice for a persons personal choices.Everybody makes choices everyday.What to wear,what to eat,where to go,what to do,drive or walk,watch tv or read a book,stay home or go out…….
You see life is full of choices.Should I call someone from PL and ask them if they approve of every choice I make everyday?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Kathy and Student
We welcome your posts on this site. That is much more than we can say regarding our being able to post on PP site. We are not even allowed there. We are shut out before we begin. Talk about censoring!
August 4th, 2008 at 11:54 am
"Sorry, "baby shredding" is simply inaccurate."
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What do you call a process where the unborn baby is cut up into tiny pieces while still inside the womb of the mother and then thrown out and discarded like so much trash? What do YOU call that?
I was stating that abortion is a horrible process and any attempt to use terminology that hides the brutality of the process is misleading… now, why bring up counselling? Who's getting judgemental here?
And FYI, I don't think I can handle counselling, scared, vulnerable, fragile, pregnant young women…
August 4th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
How is bringing up counseling being judgmental? I didn't suggest you get counseling! I thought one of the objects of your organization was to help counsel women going to PP. If that is incorrect, I'm sorry.
It seems to me someone in this forum made the claim that "words matter." If you want to describe the process do so accurately. Yes, abortion destroys a fetus (not a baby — a fetus). And chemical abortion doesn't "tear" or "shred" anything. So if I referred to you as a Talibangelist, a religious nut, insane, etc. would that be acceptable?
That's probably for the best.
August 4th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
"abortion destroys a fetus (not a baby — a fetus)"
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Ah yes…typical response..
I ask you this (this topic has been asked before, I'm sure)..when does the HUMAN fetus become the baby?
August 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Sandy,
Last week I posted a comment on their post about the censorship at the Batavia library. The post was short and simple. It went something like this, now recreated here for your amusement:
Well, I never did see it as a comment on the post. They run a very closed blog there.
God Bless,
Roger
August 4th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
WHO DO YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE TO END A LIFE IN THE WOMB?! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? Ending the life in the womb is ending a life in the womb! A human life. The killing of that life. It is not a hard concept to understand. Because it is not wanted those feel it is alright to do such a thing? This is an assumption that is totally incorrect. Those human lives are wanted! Maybe not by the mother or the father, but by someone else who will love them. So that argument that their life is worth nothing and not wanted is a lie. Take responsibility for the life that was conceived within you, do not kill that life. It is a human and all deserving of living his or her life. Who are we to decide who may live and who may not? That is very wrong, and heading the human race down a very dangerous path. Don't tell me that you need to kill someone because you feelthey are not be wanted! IF THEY WERE NOT SUPOSE TO BE THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN CONCEIVED!
Maybe we need to re-examine our ability to love. Maybe we as a human race are becoming cold and heartless. Maybe we need to re-think our humanity. Do we have enough love in us to really love? If not, why? What is stopping us from really loving one another? Selfishness? fear? arrogance? pride? What is it? Love does not end another's life. Why do we hate life so much? Why can't we embrace it and help one another?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Excellent question! Do you realize that if every PL that attended one of your larger rallies would just adopt one child each, there would be a huge dent in the number of children without homes in Illinois. Why do you care so much for "life" in the womb and not so much thereafter. In fact, if every PL person in America adopted one child, I doubt we'd need the foster system. So, if in your mind every child is wanted, why are so many languishing in foster care?
August 4th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I didn't know they even had a blog. Would you provide a link?
August 4th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the
truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes,
always perseveres.
Love never fails. I Corinthians 13:4-8a
I AGREE WITH Karen K. when she says,
"Maybe we need to re-examine our ability to love….
and "Why can't we embrace it and help one another?"
August 5th, 2008 at 9:19 am
I feel obligated to comment on how devious the city of Aurora has been throughout this process.
The building code board of appeals has 10 days to hold a hearing on any issue brought before them, by law. This allows for due process within a reasonable period of time.
Now, since the Board was unable to field a quorum, they must, by law, reschedule another hearing. Now since the first hearing must be scheduled within 10 days, one would expect the next hearing would be scheduled within 10 days as well. Yet, for some reason, the Board decided to schedule this for some 30+ days in the future.
Based on these actions, the only logical explanation is that the city, and this board, doesn’t want to hear this case, and will do anything to prolong the process. After all, what’s to prevent this board from failing to reach a quorum again? And draw this out another 30+ days?
August 5th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Student,
http://ppaurora.blogspot.com
I have commented there numerous times myself and not one of my comments has made it through moderation. I was always very careful to be concise and charitable, but they simply don't let comments from opposing viewpoints through.
If you think this blog is bad, it's communist china over there!
As to your adoption question, I spent quite a while today trying to find statistics on this and have come up dry so far, though I'm waiting to hear back from one source.
Lacking hard data on how many pro-lifers adopt, I can say from personal experience that I know MANY who have adopted and when they do, they usually go for broke and adopt quite a large number of children.
My wife and I are quite young and still having children of our own, but we have discussed the possibility of adopting later in life. I can certainly tell you that if, for whatever reason, we were unable to have more children of our own we would definitely start adopting immediately.
But to label it hypocritical for pro-lifers to not choose to adopt is sort of like saying it's hypocritical for a person who is vegetarian for reasons of conscience for not taking a cow into their home. Adoption is a huge and life changing decision that not everyone is cut out for.
Anyway, I'll get back to you if I do find any hard data.
August 5th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Matt,
Thanks for the link. I really didn't know they had such a blog. However, in the interest of fairness, I'm conducting my own experiment. Under the "Group Argues for Censorship" heading I posted the following:
Let's see what happens. I posted under "Anonymous" and will watch to see if it shows up in the next few days.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
But if there is so much concern for children, and I think we both recognize the huge need, why not help those that are actually here without families. Why are people having more children when the ones that are here don't have families? THAT is what doesn't make sense to me.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Student says: "In fact, if every PL person in America adopted one child, I doubt we'd need the foster system. So, if in your mind every child is wanted, why are so many languishing in foster care?"
August 4th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Foster care is intended to be a temporary placement for the child. Reunification of the family is the primary goal. The majority of children in foster care are reunited with their parents or primary caretaker. If that's not feasible, workers try to place the child in a permanent adoptive home as soon as possible. Each case is unique; you could keep a child for a few months or even a year. Department of Human Services
Your justification that, we should kill the already conceived human in the womb, and not allow them to be born because we have other children already needing homes is sounding very much like a Hitler mentality. There is no justification for murder of the innocent. Besides, many of these children ended up in Foster homes because of parents who are living very immoral lifestyles, drugs, adultery, violence etc… (the innocent should not be killed because of others sins, or for any reason.) And you question Christianity? Teaching what Christ teaches would help people live more harmonious lives. Why work against a people who offer a way of life that will help and does help the world know what real love is and live healthier, more peaceful lives?
August 5th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Student,
Thanks for that post on the PP blog! Quite evenhanded of you. I'll be interested to see how that plays out.
As to your question about adoption, I'm going to have to give that some more thought. I don't want to give you a shoddy answer as it's an important question.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
truthseeker says:
Thank you for continuing to fight the good fight against the baby shredders.
kathy says:
Such harsh words from a so-called christian truthseeker.
Christians today live in a harsh world kathy. Last year when some sanity was brought to the US Supreme Court they finally put some stop to the pro-choice train when the outlawed people from carrying out the barbaric procedure known as partial borth abortion. Here is a description that was sgiven as part of that decision. The words are harsh, but Christians are living in a harsh world:
What could Barack and Michelle Obama say to Jesus in order to get his blessing in their personal decision promote Partial Birth Abortion. You know the procedure right? This is an abortion doctor’s clinical description:
“‘At this point, the right-handed surgeon slides thefingers of the left [hand] along the back of the fetusand “hooks” the shoulders of the fetus with the index and ring fingers (palm down).
“‘While maintaining this tension, lifting the cervix and applying traction to the shoulders with the fin-gers of the left hand, the surgeon takes a pair of bluntcurved Metzenbaum scissors in the right hand. He carefully advances the tip, curved down, along the spine and under his middle finger until he feels it con-tact the base of the skull under the tip of his middle finger.“‘[T]he surgeon then forces the scissors into the base of the skull or into the foramen magnum. Havingsafely entered the skull, he spreads the scissors to enlarge the opening.“‘The surgeon removes the scissors and introduces a suction catheter into this hole and evacuates the skull contents. With the catheter still in place, he appliestraction to the fetus, removing it completely from the patient.’”
Here is another description from a nurse who witnessed the same method performed on a 26½-week fetus and who testified“‘Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed thebaby’s legs and pulled them down into the birth canal. Then he delivered the baby’s body and the arms—everything but the head. The doctor kept the head right inside the uterus. . . .“‘The baby’s little fingers were clasping and un-clasping, and his little feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors in the back of his head, and the baby’s arms jerked out, like a startle reaction, like a flinch, like a baby does when he thinks he is going to fall. “‘The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening, and sucked thebaby’s brains out. Now the baby went completely limp. . . . “‘He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the pla-centa. He threw the baby in a pan, along with theplacenta and the instruments he had just used.’”
And speaking of harsh Christians, pray tell, what would Barack and Michelle Obama say to Jesus in order to get his blessing in their personal decision promote and hold fund-raisers for Partial Birth Abortion. You know the "harsh" procedure detailed above…..
August 6th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Have mercy on Jesus, have mercy on us.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:38 am
Should have read:
Have mercy on us Jesus, have mercy on us.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:39 am
Student,
If you will note, your comment on PPAurora was not published. Get the picture? Their blog is about as balanced as the information they provide when counseling a pregnant woman.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 am
"Why are people having more children when the ones that are here don't have families? THAT is what doesn't make sense to me."
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And killing the unborn to solve this makes MORE sense???
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:59 am