Comments on: Record numbers and rough weather at Aurora "Face the Truth" Tour stop http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:37:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Brian http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7714 Brian Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:41:22 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7714 Let me also say that I didn't read the full context of what you were saying, Student. In light of the other woman's health situation, I don't see how it could be immoral to have a sterilization operation. I know that the local Catholic hospital would perform the operation in that situation (they only perform them in the context of serious health risk to a mother). Let me also say that I didn't read the full context of what you were saying, Student. In light of the other woman's health situation, I don't see how it could be immoral to have a sterilization operation. I know that the local Catholic hospital would perform the operation in that situation (they only perform them in the context of serious health risk to a mother).

]]> By: Deb http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7712 Deb Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:10:52 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7712 Student, See post 124. AuroraResident specifically asked if I objected to sterilization. I answered and supported consistent with my beliefs. I have already acknowledged that she has a difficult and challenging situation (Posts 103 and 131). I wish only the best for her as she and her husband figure out what is best. Student,
See post 124.
AuroraResident specifically asked if I objected to sterilization. I answered and supported consistent with my beliefs.

I have already acknowledged that she has a difficult and challenging situation (Posts 103 and 131). I wish only the best for her as she and her husband figure out what is best.

]]> By: Brian http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7710 Brian Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:18:41 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7710 Sorry about the double post. I tried to modify buy hit enter. My other caveat was that I don't get the difference between other forms of birth control and NFP from the Catholic perspective. In both cases, you are calculating when can you have sex without procreation. Both are prone to end up with conception to one degree or the other (and I don't care about the percentages). For me, the question is--once there is a complete human life, can it be discarded? My answer is no. Personally, I think the operations make the best sense for those who are definitely done with having children, although that view is not consistent with the Church's teaching. Sorry about the double post. I tried to modify buy hit enter. My other caveat was that I don't get the difference between other forms of birth control and NFP from the Catholic perspective. In both cases, you are calculating when can you have sex without procreation. Both are prone to end up with conception to one degree or the other (and I don't care about the percentages). For me, the question is–once there is a complete human life, can it be discarded? My answer is no. Personally, I think the operations make the best sense for those who are definitely done with having children, although that view is not consistent with the Church's teaching.

]]> By: Brian http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7708 Brian Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:11:38 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7708 "So yes, if what you're really trying to do is control the sexuality of a woman in her 40's, who's been married for 14 years by telling her she's immoral for wanting to continue to be sexually active with her husband and not wanting to become pregnant because it could kill her, and that opting for sterilization is IMMORAL I say, yes, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!" Who's trying to prevent you from doing anything? Who's trying to make tubal ligation or vasecotomies illegal? No one. Those who choose to believe in Humanae Vitae are free to do so and are free to view those acts as immoral, but that doesn't mean they're getting in your business. So put away the soapbox unless you think you have the right to control others' beliefs. "So yes, if what you're really trying to do is control the sexuality of a woman in her 40's, who's been married for 14 years by telling her she's immoral for wanting to continue to be sexually active with her husband and not wanting to become pregnant because it could kill her, and that opting for sterilization is IMMORAL I say, yes, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!"

Who's trying to prevent you from doing anything? Who's trying to make tubal ligation or vasecotomies illegal? No one. Those who choose to believe in Humanae Vitae are free to do so and are free to view those acts as immoral, but that doesn't mean they're getting in your business. So put away the soapbox unless you think you have the right to control others' beliefs.

]]> By: Brian http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7709 Brian Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:11:38 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7709 "So yes, if what you're really trying to do is control the sexuality of a woman in her 40's, who's been married for 14 years by telling her she's immoral for wanting to continue to be sexually active with her husband and not wanting to become pregnant because it could kill her, and that opting for sterilization is IMMORAL I say, yes, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!" Who's trying to prevent you from doing anything? Who's trying to make tubal ligation or vasecotomies illegal? No one. Those who choose to believe in Humanae Vitae are free to do so and are free to view those acts as immoral, but that doesn't mean they're getting in your business. So put away the soapbox unless you think you have the right to control others' beliefs. "So yes, if what you're really trying to do is control the sexuality of a woman in her 40's, who's been married for 14 years by telling her she's immoral for wanting to continue to be sexually active with her husband and not wanting to become pregnant because it could kill her, and that opting for sterilization is IMMORAL I say, yes, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!"

Who's trying to prevent you from doing anything? Who's trying to make tubal ligation or vasecotomies illegal? No one. Those who choose to believe in Humanae Vitae are free to do so and are free to view those acts as immoral, but that doesn't mean they're getting in your business. So put away the soapbox unless you think you have the right to control others' beliefs.

]]> By: Student http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7707 Student Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:22:45 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7707 Deb, See post 134. Deb,
See post 134.

]]> By: Deb http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7702 Deb Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:22:16 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7702 Student, Aurora Resident's source is the Stanford Sexual Health PEER (emhasis mine) Resource Center. It is a group of college students "educating" (or mis-educating in the case of NFP) other college students on sexual relationships and contraception choices. If you go to their About Us page and click on Supplies, you will find the various condoms and sex toys available for sale. You ask:Why else would anyone opt for surgical intervention if not for sterility????? People with diseased or improperly functioning reproductive systems may require may require medical intervention for removal or treatment of such. Sterility is not the intention, it is a side effect. Sterilization is not 100% guarantee . Vasectomy is around 99%, TL starts out about 99% and drops to 98% after 10 years. You are very wrong. I care deeply about eliminating abortion. It appears that the difference between us has more to do with the fact that I believe approaching our sexuality and each other with due genuine love and respect will go much farther in solving the problem than manipulating our fertility and each other for the simple convenience of having sex whenever we want it will. We've been experimenting with your approach for 40 years, in case you haven't noticed, its not working. Student,
Aurora Resident's source is the Stanford Sexual Health PEER (emhasis mine) Resource Center. It is a group of college students "educating" (or mis-educating in the case of NFP) other college students on sexual relationships and contraception choices.

If you go to their About Us page and click on Supplies, you will find the various condoms and sex toys available for sale.

You ask:Why else would anyone opt for surgical intervention if not for sterility?????

People with diseased or improperly functioning reproductive systems may require may require medical intervention for removal or treatment of such. Sterility is not the intention, it is a side effect.

Sterilization is not 100% guarantee . Vasectomy is around 99%, TL starts out about 99% and drops to 98% after 10 years.

You are very wrong. I care deeply about eliminating abortion. It appears that the difference between us has more to do with the fact that I believe approaching our sexuality and each other with due genuine love and respect will go much farther in solving the problem than manipulating our fertility and each other for the simple convenience of having sex whenever we want it will. We've been experimenting with your approach for 40 years, in case you haven't noticed, its not working.

]]> By: Student http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7701 Student Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:51:27 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7701 Roger, We weren't talking about removing a cancerous growth. We were talking about birth control options. Do you see the difference? I personally know Aurora Resident. Another pregnancy, for her, might kill her. How immoral she is to even consider sterilization as an option!!! Perhaps she should just not worry about it and abort any and every time she became pregnant. Even better yet, she should just not worry about it and if she gets pregnant and dies well, hey, too bad for her (and her son, daughter and husband). So yes, if what you're really trying to do is control the sexuality of a woman in her 40's, who's been married for 14 years by telling her she's immoral for wanting to continue to be sexually active with her husband and not wanting to become pregnant because it could kill her, and that opting for sterilization is IMMORAL I say, yes, <b>MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!</b> Roger,
We weren't talking about removing a cancerous growth. We were talking about birth control options. Do you see the difference? I personally know Aurora Resident. Another pregnancy, for her, might kill her. How immoral she is to even consider sterilization as an option!!! Perhaps she should just not worry about it and abort any and every time she became pregnant. Even better yet, she should just not worry about it and if she gets pregnant and dies well, hey, too bad for her (and her son, daughter and husband).

So yes, if what you're really trying to do is control the sexuality of a woman in her 40's, who's been married for 14 years by telling her she's immoral for wanting to continue to be sexually active with her husband and not wanting to become pregnant because it could kill her, and that opting for sterilization is IMMORAL I say, yes, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!

]]> By: Roger http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7700 Roger Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:32:53 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7700 Student, <blockquote>Why else would anyone opt for surgical intervention if not for sterility????? I'm sorry, but this is one of the more inane things I've ever read here.</blockquote> It's relatively easy to think of surgical interventions that can cause sterility but not intend it. Removing a cancerous growth. The intent is not sterility, but saving the life of the person. <blockquote>Good grief! Mind your own business.</blockquote> I really dislike it when people say this on this blog, weather from pro-life or pro-choice people, although I think that it is mostly said, if not all said, by the pro-choice individuals. For one, this is a pro-life site, and if you really believed this advice and acted upon it, you wouldn't be here posting such things. God Bless, Roger Student,

Why else would anyone opt for surgical intervention if not for sterility????? I'm sorry, but this is one of the more inane things I've ever read here.

It's relatively easy to think of surgical interventions that can cause sterility but not intend it. Removing a cancerous growth. The intent is not sterility, but saving the life of the person.

Good grief! Mind your own business.

I really dislike it when people say this on this blog, weather from pro-life or pro-choice people, although I think that it is mostly said, if not all said, by the pro-choice individuals. For one, this is a pro-life site, and if you really believed this advice and acted upon it, you wouldn't be here posting such things.

God Bless,
Roger

]]> By: Student http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0722/truthtour/#comment-7699 Student Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:05:24 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/?p=257#comment-7699 <blockquote>A website that sells condoms and sex toys and promotes casual sex among college students is hardly a reliable source on the virtues and effectiveness of NFP.</blockquote> When I clicked her link it was from Stanford University. I'd certainly trust that over a PL propoganda site. <blockquote>That being said, surgical or medical intervention which renders a couple sterile is not immoral, so long as the intent is not the sterility itself. </blockquote> Why else would anyone opt for surgical intervention if not for sterility????? I'm sorry, but this is one of the more inane things I've ever read here. A method that is GUARANTEED not to end in an unwanted pregnancy (or an abortion for same) is seen as immoral? This is proof positive that it isn't so much abortion that you are opposed to, it is the sexuality of others. Good grief! Mind your own business.

A website that sells condoms and sex toys and promotes casual sex among college students is hardly a reliable source on the virtues and effectiveness of NFP.

When I clicked her link it was from Stanford University. I'd certainly trust that over a PL propoganda site.

That being said, surgical or medical intervention which renders a couple sterile is not immoral, so long as the intent is not the sterility itself.

Why else would anyone opt for surgical intervention if not for sterility????? I'm sorry, but this is one of the more inane things I've ever read here. A method that is GUARANTEED not to end in an unwanted pregnancy (or an abortion for same) is seen as immoral? This is proof positive that it isn't so much abortion that you are opposed to, it is the sexuality of others. Good grief! Mind your own business.

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