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We should choose our teachers carefully.

On this we agree.

Thanks for your response. I stand by my comments in their entirety.

There is one important point with regards to your very last comment. We should choose our teachers carefully. If we open our hearts to the Holy Spirit in total sincerity and honesty, He will lead us to the truth.

Even though many pro-choicers would disagree that a woman should have an abortion for a flippant reason, nonetheless they will fight to the end to maintain the right of the woman to do so.

Not so. Why is it that most everyone here seem to think that PCers want abortion on demand — all the time — for any reason. That's simply not the case at all.

The “right” to do as they wish with “their own bodies” is the ultimate right. The moral guideposts of yesteryear are trash. That is why secularists, wiccans, and atheists dominate their ranks.

Wrong again. There are many religious people who are PC.

The overarching philosophy is that without chemical birth control and access to abortion, women are slaves, second class citizens at best. The ideal of living virtuous, chaste lives is seen by them as just more forms of subjection.

So why is chemical birth control a problem? It seems that any form of birth control (other than NFP which my gynecologist says is hit or miss at best) is a no-no with most of you. Why should I live a "chaste" life if I'm in a committed relationship? Because I don't want children I should never have sex again? Get real.

So these are the myths that dominate the pro-abortion sub-culture.

Let's not start on myths unless you want yours looked at as well.

Who will build our economy and keep us safe and build our schools and maintain our infrastructure? Who will sit at our sides when we are ill or are too old to fend for ourselves?

Having children to take care of you in your old age is a really poor reason to have them in the first place. I suggest long-term care insurance.

There are none more acquainted with the depth of these matters than the thousands of women who deeply regret their abortions.

If thousands regret them that would leave millions that do not.

What does matter is the truth behind the teachings, for as we know there have always been and will always be false teachers until the end of the world. Our loving God has written into our hearts an innate ability to discern truth, but only if we open ourselves to His grace.

Is there just the tiniest of chances that you have been led by a false teacher (and/or false ideas)?

The meaning of "unwanted pregnancy" for one person is entirely different for another. There could be a thousand different scenarios. The point is that it is entirely subjective. It could be as simple as having a blue day.

Even though many pro-choicers would disagree that a woman should have an abortion for a flippant reason, nonetheless they will fight to the end to maintain the right of the woman to do so. Why is that?
It is because "choice" is the only thing that really matters. It trumps any and all moral precepts handed down through the generations. The "right" to do as they wish with "their own bodies" is the ultimate right. The moral guideposts of yesteryear are trash. That is why secularists, wiccans, and atheists dominate their ranks. They share a common bond of antipathy for the holy things of Christendom, the greatest of which is to love God above all things and then to love our neighbors as ourselves. To them this is folly. The overarching philosophy is that without chemical birth control and access to abortion, women are slaves, second class citizens at best. The ideal of living virtuous, chaste lives is seen by them as just more forms of subjection.

So these are the myths that dominate the pro-abortion sub-culture. These myths have consequences far beyond the act of one mother aborting one child, though terrible that is in itself. Taken together these acts have resulted in the violent destruction of nearly 50 million babies in the U.S. alone, and some say one billion world-wide. These babies, our sons and daughters who would bring richness and joy to a troubled world, are cast aside in the name of "choice." In the destruction of 50 million babies, our future is now more uncertain than it has ever been. Who will build our economy and keep us safe and build our schools and maintain our infrastructure? Who will sit at our sides when we are ill or are too old to fend for ourselves?

There are none more acquainted with the depth of these matters than the thousands of women who deeply regret their abortions. They were led by the promise of emancipation only to find the bitter slavery of a lifetime of regret. They would give anything to once again have that "unwanted pregnancy," although this time it would be cherished and nourished. Will the abortion sub-culture listen to them? Of course not. They are shunned and ignored among their pro-abort sisters because their testimony challenges the myth that abortion is the answer.

Matt, your post 26 is well said. There will always be churches that teach otherwise, but that does not matter. What does matter is the truth behind the teachings, for as we know there have always been and will always be false teachers until the end of the world. Our loving God has written into our hearts an innate ability to discern truth, but only if we open ourselves to His grace. Also, thanks to Karen K. for all the time and effort put into the last several posts.

Student, that passage is actually Luke 14:26. Student, that was a beautiful post. In fact I can say unequivocably the best post you have put on this board yet. Keep the scripture quotations coming, they will not return to you empty handed. I know you were trying to twist the meaning though. For your benefit I will tell you that what Christ is saying here is that anyone following Him, making a commitment to the Christian way of life, must love Him more than family and friends, and even life itself.

For Immediate Release

A Child’s Hope, A Parent’s Mission

By Theresa Notare

Eleven-year-old Andrew is an only child. He comes from a loving family and lives in a nice middle-class neighborhood. He goes to Catholic school, serves at Mass, plays baseball and videogames, and has neighborhood friends. What could be missing from this happy childhood? Andrew will tell you—a brother or sister!

Andrew has been hounding his parents lately for a sibling. He recently discussed his problems with me because I’m his aunt who happens to work for the Church. He explained that he needs a sibling not just to play with now, but to be with “when we’re old.” He reasoned: “What would my parents do if I become a priest and they don’t have any grandchildren? They need back-up!” I remarked that having children wasn’t only for the parents and kids–“it’s also for the world.” His eyes lit up as he exclaimed: “T, that’s right, that’s the circle of life! Don’t they know that?”

Andrew’s hopes for a sibling are worth reflecting on. They reveal what we all want in our families—to love and be loved—and also point to a central aspect of the mission of married couples—to have and care for children. Society places economic and psychological burdens on husbands and wives. So it is critical to remind married couples that their generosity to life is key to the future happiness of all.

The family is the best environment for nurturing children. It’s the building block of society, where children can learn how to love and give. And the family is the “little church”–the place where children learn about God and salvation. A healthy, holy family contributes to the well-being of its members and the nation.

Today many married couples are convinced they should limit the size of their families to one or two children at most. People who study population have begun to raise alarms about disastrous consequences from married couples choosing not to have any children. Humanity’s future is endangered when the numbers of retired elderly people greatly exceeds those in the work force.

The fortieth anniversary of Pope Paul VI’s encyclical Humanae vitae (Of Human Life) will be celebrated on July 25, 2008. That encyclical addresses the Church’s teaching on married love and the gift of life, illuminating God’s plan for spouses, especially with regard to procreation.

Catholics, especially the engaged and married, should prayerfully reflect on Humanae vitae. This prophetic document beautifully and insightfully presents Christian teachings on married love and its unitive and procreative nature. It describes the “total vision” of men and women that is not man-made, but “Divinely designed.” “Children,” the encyclical states, “are the supreme gift of marriage and contribute very substantially to the welfare of their parents.” As my nephew Andrew says: “They provide back-up!”

In the fortieth-anniversary year of Humanae vitae, do yourself and your family a favor—read Humanae vitae and pray. Pray that the Holy Spirit helps you understand and embrace God’s design for life and love. Pray that more couples will realize that God is calling them to open their homes to another child. Children, after all, are our hope for the future!

The words Jesus spoke were from his Father and they are eternal life.

If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.
Luke 14-16

Jesus was ALL about giving of yourself for others. Jesus was all about Life
The words Jesus spoke were from his Father and they are eternal life.

If you are Christian4Real the day is coming when you will repent for the grief you caused to the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life.