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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0305/wednesday-open-thread-illinois-hb5615/#comment-4944</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student,
  Sorry I just saw your post.  Yes I read the entire bill 3 times and all the explanation that went with it on the states web site.  I also noted who co-sponsored it.  
Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student,<br />
  Sorry I just saw your post.  Yes I read the entire bill 3 times and all the explanation that went with it on the states web site.  I also noted who co-sponsored it.<br />
Amy</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0305/wednesday-open-thread-illinois-hb5615/#comment-4942</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jerry N.</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0305/wednesday-open-thread-illinois-hb5615/#comment-4939</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student:

Re post 15, legislation pertaining to the personhood issue (at the federal level) has been drafted. Check out the Life at Conception Act (H.R. 618). 

For an excellent overview of the issue (The 14th Amendment and the Acquisition of Personhood, by Benjamin Horne) see this link: &lt;a href="http://www.humanlifereview.com/2007_summer/Summer_2007_Review_Horne1.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;The 14th Amendment &#038; the Acquisition of Personhood&lt;/a&gt;

Also, I know you did not specifically ask for this, but if anyone here wishes to read an in depth synthesis of the philosophical/theological/scriptural underpinnings of why the Church holds human life to be intrinsically holy and worthy of reverence from the moment of conception (as seen through the eyes of John Paul II) the document is available on-line by googleing "&lt;a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031995_evangelium-vitae_en.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Evangelium Vitae&lt;/a&gt;."
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student:</p>
<p>Re post 15, legislation pertaining to the personhood issue (at the federal level) has been drafted. Check out the Life at Conception Act (H.R. 618). </p>
<p>For an excellent overview of the issue (The 14th Amendment and the Acquisition of Personhood, by Benjamin Horne) see this link: <a href="http://www.humanlifereview.com/2007_summer/Summer_2007_Review_Horne1.pdf" rel="nofollow">The 14th Amendment &#038; the Acquisition of Personhood</a></p>
<p>Also, I know you did not specifically ask for this, but if anyone here wishes to read an in depth synthesis of the philosophical/theological/scriptural underpinnings of why the Church holds human life to be intrinsically holy and worthy of reverence from the moment of conception (as seen through the eyes of John Paul II) the document is available on-line by googleing &#034;<a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031995_evangelium-vitae_en.html" rel="nofollow">Evangelium Vitae</a>.&#034;<br />
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		<title>By: Student</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0305/wednesday-open-thread-illinois-hb5615/#comment-4938</link>
		<dc:creator>Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,
The legislation I was referring to was not Illinois.  I think it was Kansas or Missouri, but am not sure.  I'll see if I can find it in the next day or two and get back with you.

***************

Dan, 
I didn't mind your "rant" at all -- no offense taken whatsoever.  I've always enjoyed talking with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,<br />
The legislation I was referring to was not Illinois.  I think it was Kansas or Missouri, but am not sure.  I&#039;ll see if I can find it in the next day or two and get back with you.</p>
<p>***************</p>
<p>Dan,<br />
I didn&#039;t mind your &#034;rant&#034; at all &#8212; no offense taken whatsoever.  I&#039;ve always enjoyed talking with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan the Methodist</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0305/wednesday-open-thread-illinois-hb5615/#comment-4937</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan the Methodist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student,
Thanks for putting up with my rant.
I hope I didn't offend.
Your relpy was well recieved.
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student,<br />
Thanks for putting up with my rant.<br />
I hope I didn&#039;t offend.<br />
Your relpy was well recieved.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

There hasn't been legislation to this point, but I think she's talking about pro-lifer's emphasis on post abortion stress syndrome.  I think PASS is real (witness the recent suicide of the woman in England after the abortion of her twins).  I think that there should be a mandatory warning about PASS for those who are considering abortion.  PP and others would absolutely flip out about such a warning.  Perhaps there have been efforts to make abortion providers liable for PASS if there has been no warning, although I am not aware of any (be a good idea to push for, though).  Have a good night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>There hasn&#039;t been legislation to this point, but I think she&#039;s talking about pro-lifer&#039;s emphasis on post abortion stress syndrome.  I think PASS is real (witness the recent suicide of the woman in England after the abortion of her twins).  I think that there should be a mandatory warning about PASS for those who are considering abortion.  PP and others would absolutely flip out about such a warning.  Perhaps there have been efforts to make abortion providers liable for PASS if there has been no warning, although I am not aware of any (be a good idea to push for, though).  Have a good night.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0305/wednesday-open-thread-illinois-hb5615/#comment-4935</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"... part of the PL agenda has been an attempt to get legislation on the books that would allow a woman to sue a doctor if she later changed her mind about the procedure."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm not aware of this any legislation attempt like this.  Can you provide an example?  And do you mean in Illinois?

Thanks and God Bless,
Roger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#034;&#8230; part of the PL agenda has been an attempt to get legislation on the books that would allow a woman to sue a doctor if she later changed her mind about the procedure.&#034;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#039;m not aware of this any legislation attempt like this.  Can you provide an example?  And do you mean in Illinois?</p>
<p>Thanks and God Bless,<br />
Roger</p>
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		<title>By: Student</title>
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		<dc:creator>Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry,
If you were to overturn Roe, at what point would you want legal personhood to be conveyed?  Depending on when that is, it leads to a multitude of other questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,<br />
If you were to overturn Roe, at what point would you want legal personhood to be conveyed?  Depending on when that is, it leads to a multitude of other questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry N.</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0305/wednesday-open-thread-illinois-hb5615/#comment-4932</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HB5616 is an extreme bill. It is authored by pro-abortion activists for the express purpose of making access to abortion a kind of "super right" in Illinois and to head off future restrictions on abortion should Roe v. Wade be overturned. 

This bill commits the Illinois taxpayer to pay for abortions for medicaid clients. It proscribes actions on the part of any level of government in Illinois that would "deny or interfere" with a "woman's right to terminate a pregnancy" as unlawful, taking clear aim at parental notification ordinances, zoning statutes, and any other action on the part of a governmental or quasi-governmental body that could be construed as somehow limiting access. It burdens schools with even more sex ed curriculum requirements and expenditures. The bill prohibits the identification by name of abortion patients, thereby assuring that any man impregnating a minor will have the cover of anonymity when he needs a "fix" for his "problem." It overrides conscience clause rights of medical professionals in situations where employers "cannot accommodate the employee's objections without undue hardship." 

A recent AP report from the Pew research center that measures the effectiveness of state governments found that Illinois is near the bottom of the 50 states. Only two states were worse. While the rest of Illinois spirals into bankruptcy and the highest taxes in the nation, if this bill passes the abortion industry will thrive and flourish. 

If we can find a silver lining it is this: If this bill actually makes it to the floor, we will know who our friends are and pro-lifers will be energized going into the general election. Also, this bill helps to crystallize the true breadth and scope of what it will take to secure the rights of innocent unborn children. Firstly, it is obvious we cannot afford to sit out this election cycle and let pro-abortion candidates secure the presidency and nominate more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs (or even a Bill Clinton) to the Supreme Court. And finally it is becoming more clear by the day that overturning Roe v. Wade, though laudable and desireable, will not in itself be sufficient to secure rights for the unborn across the land. We should by all means continue to work towards that end, but in the end the law will have to finally recognize the personhood of the unborn and thereby secure their rights in law before this national nightmare and tragedy of legalized abortion is ended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HB5616 is an extreme bill. It is authored by pro-abortion activists for the express purpose of making access to abortion a kind of &#034;super right&#034; in Illinois and to head off future restrictions on abortion should Roe v. Wade be overturned. </p>
<p>This bill commits the Illinois taxpayer to pay for abortions for medicaid clients. It proscribes actions on the part of any level of government in Illinois that would &#034;deny or interfere&#034; with a &#034;woman&#039;s right to terminate a pregnancy&#034; as unlawful, taking clear aim at parental notification ordinances, zoning statutes, and any other action on the part of a governmental or quasi-governmental body that could be construed as somehow limiting access. It burdens schools with even more sex ed curriculum requirements and expenditures. The bill prohibits the identification by name of abortion patients, thereby assuring that any man impregnating a minor will have the cover of anonymity when he needs a &#034;fix&#034; for his &#034;problem.&#034; It overrides conscience clause rights of medical professionals in situations where employers &#034;cannot accommodate the employee&#039;s objections without undue hardship.&#034; </p>
<p>A recent AP report from the Pew research center that measures the effectiveness of state governments found that Illinois is near the bottom of the 50 states. Only two states were worse. While the rest of Illinois spirals into bankruptcy and the highest taxes in the nation, if this bill passes the abortion industry will thrive and flourish. </p>
<p>If we can find a silver lining it is this: If this bill actually makes it to the floor, we will know who our friends are and pro-lifers will be energized going into the general election. Also, this bill helps to crystallize the true breadth and scope of what it will take to secure the rights of innocent unborn children. Firstly, it is obvious we cannot afford to sit out this election cycle and let pro-abortion candidates secure the presidency and nominate more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs (or even a Bill Clinton) to the Supreme Court. And finally it is becoming more clear by the day that overturning Roe v. Wade, though laudable and desireable, will not in itself be sufficient to secure rights for the unborn across the land. We should by all means continue to work towards that end, but in the end the law will have to finally recognize the personhood of the unborn and thereby secure their rights in law before this national nightmare and tragedy of legalized abortion is ended.</p>
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