Comments on: Clinic Witness Training Seminar March 15. http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:37:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Eric Scheidler http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4889 Eric Scheidler Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:36:07 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4889 <strong>Paul2 and Student: I request that you take this discussion, which is evidently of interest only to yourselves, to a private forum such as e-mail.</strong> If you like, you can e-mail me at ERIC [at] PROLIFEACTION [dot] ORG; if both of you do so, I will put you in touch with each other via e-mail. <strong>Comments are now closed on this thread.</strong> Paul2 and Student: I request that you take this discussion, which is evidently of interest only to yourselves, to a private forum such as e-mail.

If you like, you can e-mail me at ERIC [at] PROLIFEACTION [dot] ORG; if both of you do so, I will put you in touch with each other via e-mail.

Comments are now closed on this thread.

]]> By: Paul2 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4888 Paul2 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:33:35 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4888 Student, I don't know how you explained it to your six friends at work but if a pregnant girl/woman expresses her desire to keep her baby to you, and ycounsel her to abort, you are pro-abort. Just how do you manage to refute that logic? To me the definition of pro-choice is - support a woman's right to choose and supporting her in her choice regardless of what her choice may be. In the scenario above the pregnant women has expressed her desire to keep the child and the mother encouraging her to abort anyway. That sinmply does not fit the above definition. It could not be any clearer. What kind of Kool-aid do you drink before you convince yourselves that? Sorry but I need to follow logic here. This girl has expressed her desire to keep her child. Instead of helping this girl facilitate the things necessary to keep child you believe it is pro-choice to counsel her against her stated wishes. Do these friends of yours work at PP with you? Cause that is really scary if you are seeing girls who want to keep their babies and "counseling" them to abortion instead. I'll bet most people would be startled and offended if they found out PP was acting that way towards pregnant women who comes in looking for help with continuing her pregnancy. Ask your friends to come up with a definition of pro-choice that allows them to counsel a girl against her wishes. I would love to understand how your logic works here. Student,
I don't know how you explained it to your six friends at work but if a pregnant girl/woman expresses her desire to keep her baby to you, and ycounsel her to abort, you are pro-abort. Just how do you manage to refute that logic?
To me the definition of pro-choice is - support a woman's right to choose and supporting her in her choice regardless of what her choice may be. In the scenario above the pregnant women has expressed her desire to keep the child and the mother encouraging her to abort anyway. That sinmply does not fit the above definition.

It could not be any clearer. What kind of Kool-aid do you drink before you convince yourselves that? Sorry but I need to follow logic here. This girl has expressed her desire to keep her child. Instead of helping this girl facilitate the things necessary to keep child you believe it is pro-choice to counsel her against her stated wishes. Do these friends of yours work at PP with you? Cause that is really scary if you are seeing girls who want to keep their babies and "counseling" them to abortion instead. I'll bet most people would be startled and offended if they found out PP was acting that way towards pregnant women who comes in looking for help with continuing her pregnancy.

Ask your friends to come up with a definition of pro-choice that allows them to counsel a girl against her wishes. I would love to understand how your logic works here.

]]> By: Student http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4887 Student Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:41:13 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4887 Yes, Paul, I do take the position that she is pro-choice and, for the record, I spoke with 6 people I work with (it's a pretty conservative place here) and they also agree that it is very much a pro-choice position. That mother may very well, in fact, be worried about her daughter's physical health, emotional health, education, etc. In fact, wasn't it you who said that a parent should be involved because minors aren't mature enough to make those decisions on their own? Does that only apply if the minor's parent agrees with you? As to the pro-abort issue, if you want to keep calling me that fine. Repeating a non-truth doesn't make it a fact -- unless, of course, you're George Bush. However, I won't engage you if you insist on the name calling. Yes, Paul, I do take the position that she is pro-choice and, for the record, I spoke with 6 people I work with (it's a pretty conservative place here) and they also agree that it is very much a pro-choice position. That mother may very well, in fact, be worried about her daughter's physical health, emotional health, education, etc. In fact, wasn't it you who said that a parent should be involved because minors aren't mature enough to make those decisions on their own? Does that only apply if the minor's parent agrees with you?

As to the pro-abort issue, if you want to keep calling me that fine. Repeating a non-truth doesn't make it a fact — unless, of course, you're George Bush. However, I won't engage you if you insist on the name calling.

]]> By: Paul2 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4882 Paul2 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:58:14 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4882 Student, do you stand by your post 54 from earlier when you called post 53 a pro-choice woman? Here is Post 53 again: Paul2 says: Another person is the mother who encourages her daughter to have an abortion cause of the burden it would be to both of them. Her reason for wanting the abortion is not to protect the girls right to a free choice, it is to get rid of a problem. Is this mother pro-choice or pro-abort? Student, YOU take the position stand this woman who wants to kill here daughters baby to get rid of a problem, as being pro-choice!! Do you really think that other pro-choice people would stand with you on that? Student, do you stand by your post 54 from earlier when you called post 53 a pro-choice woman? Here is Post 53
again:
Paul2 says:
Another person is the mother who encourages her daughter to have an abortion cause of the burden it would be to both of them. Her reason for wanting the abortion is not to protect the girls right to a free choice, it is to get rid of a problem. Is this mother pro-choice or pro-abort?

Student,
YOU take the position stand this woman who wants to kill here daughters baby to get rid of a problem, as being pro-choice!! Do you really think that other pro-choice people would stand with you on that?

]]> By: Paul2 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4881 Paul2 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:33:59 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4881 Student, Do you stand by what you said on your earlier post? Student says: I disagree. A person who encourages a woman to have an abortion is not necessarily pro-abortion, however, s/he may see it as the best alternative. How can you encourage a woman to abort a baby she wants and call yourself pro-choice? Student,
Do you stand by what you said on your earlier post?
Student says:
I disagree. A person who encourages a woman to have an abortion is not necessarily pro-abortion, however, s/he may see it as the best alternative.

How can you encourage a woman to abort a baby she wants and call yourself pro-choice?

]]> By: Student http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4880 Student Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:28:10 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4880 Sorry Me, I am not pro-abortion regardless of what you or Paul may think. I am pro-choice. It's sad that you can't see a difference. Sorry Me, I am not pro-abortion regardless of what you or Paul may think. I am pro-choice. It's sad that you can't see a difference.

]]> By: Student http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4879 Student Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:26:16 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4879 Federal judges are appointed by the President of the United States -- they are lifetime appointments. Out of curiosity, what "political maneuvering" has Judge Coar been using? I deal with him regularly and he is a highly honorable man. Federal judges are appointed by the President of the United States — they are lifetime appointments.

Out of curiosity, what "political maneuvering" has Judge Coar been using? I deal with him regularly and he is a highly honorable man.

]]> By: Paul2 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4878 Paul2 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:18:35 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4878 Me, That ruling is not "likely" to stand. David Coar is the judge that has been overseeing this case and has been using political manuvering to keep it tied up in the United States District Court for Northern Illinois. If our State pursues this case it will likely win the ruling on appeal since there are already some 35 states with those laws being enforced. Anybody know how we can get rid of David Coar or is it a lifetime appointment? Me,
That ruling is not "likely" to stand. David Coar is the judge that has been overseeing this case and has been using political manuvering to keep it tied up in the United States District Court for Northern Illinois. If our State pursues this case it will likely win the ruling on appeal since there are already some 35 states with those laws being enforced.

Anybody know how we can get rid of David Coar or is it a lifetime appointment?

]]> By: Paul2 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4877 Paul2 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:09:43 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4877 Student, motives are very important in determining wether or not somebody is a hypocrite. If another adult is genuinely trying to help my daughter by counseling her that would be o.k. with me. So your claim f my hpocrisy is a HUGE stretch. It doesn't mean I am a hypocrite cause I don't WANT somebody counseling my daughter to kill her baby. Again, I don't want to resort to name calling but your postulations are ludicrous. Student, motives are very important in determining wether or not somebody is a hypocrite. If another adult is genuinely trying to help my daughter by counseling her that would be o.k. with me. So your claim f my hpocrisy is a HUGE stretch. It doesn't mean I am a hypocrite cause I don't WANT somebody counseling my daughter to kill her baby. Again, I don't want to resort to name calling but your postulations are ludicrous.

]]> By: Me http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0228/seminar2/#comment-4875 Me Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:54:39 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0225/seminar2/#comment-4875 This is sad...I just heard it on the radio today. It's regarding the parental notification law that was trying to be put into force in Illinios. Needless to say, it was defeated. Sad, sad day. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1979018/posts This is sad…I just heard it on the radio today. It's regarding the parental notification law that was trying to be put into force in Illinios. Needless to say, it was defeated. Sad, sad day.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1979018/posts

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