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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4737</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet you would, however that was directed at the smarmy comment towards the beginning about "Oh gee, what a safe procedure."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet you would, however that was directed at the smarmy comment towards the beginning about &#034;Oh gee, what a safe procedure.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4735</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd call a million dead babies a pretty HIGH death rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d call a million dead babies a pretty HIGH death rate.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4717</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fact.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm

Holy hell, 4 deaths from induced abortions in the entire year of 1999 out of nearly 1 million performed. That's a pretty low death rate and I'd call that a pretty safe procedure.</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm</a></p>
<p>Holy hell, 4 deaths from induced abortions in the entire year of 1999 out of nearly 1 million performed. That&#039;s a pretty low death rate and I&#039;d call that a pretty safe procedure.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4682</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student,
Please don't feel bad.  There was no offense taken at all, and absolutely no need to apologize!  Thank you so much for your post!

I do believe that abortions are risky, though.  Just as any other procedure would be.  There is a risk with any abortion that cannot be denied.  Although it may be "safer", it isn't considered "safe".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student,<br />
Please don&#039;t feel bad.  There was no offense taken at all, and absolutely no need to apologize!  Thank you so much for your post!</p>
<p>I do believe that abortions are risky, though.  Just as any other procedure would be.  There is a risk with any abortion that cannot be denied.  Although it may be &#034;safer&#034;, it isn&#039;t considered &#034;safe&#034;.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4659</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I'd like to see a place where a woman could get everything under one roof: prenatal care, parental support, birth control and, if necessary, abortive services...Additionally, I think that would require some taxpayer funds and I doubt many would be willing to pay the tab."

Student--

I'm going way back to #65 for this, but I haven't been on in a while!  As you say, it would be better for PP and other "full service women's reproductive health clinics" to provide the means for women to receive counseling and make an adoption plan if they so choose, and the means for them to receive pre/post-natal medical care and well baby care, as well as financial and emotional support.  The reason I'm concerned about PP (etc) not providing this type of service and not concerned about CPCs not providing abortion services is simple.  PP purports to give women all the choices, explain all the options, and help them make their choice openly.  By not providing even a minimum of care for pregnant women or even having a social worker onsite who counsels on adoption information, they are weighting the scale toward abortion.  Your responses to my earlier questions have left me at the same place I was before regarding PP's care.  I figure all they can say is, "Have an abortion with us or you're on your own.  Here's a business card for an OB."

The criticism of CPCs that I have read on PP's website tends to focus on their lack of referrals for abortion.  The difference is, CPCs exist because the people who run them are deeply concerned for expectant mothers and the babies they are carrying.  The people who are running the centers do not believe that abortion is a moral or healing choice, so they are offering every possible support for every other possible choice.

Now, PP says (and I have heard many PP supporters sporting free PP bright pink t-shirts say as much at several Aurora City Council Meetings) that they do not counsel towards abortion nor do they consider abortion to be the best choice for every person.  They lay out all the options, and of a woman CHOOSES abortion, well, then that's her choice.  Parenting or adoption are no less moral, and no less good decisions.  Yet, PP's money is not where their mouth is.  They offer no help.  They distribute condoms and BC, but not pre-natal vitamins.  They have medical equipment and staff, but do not do ultrasounds.  They ignore even a small effort that could be made with existing staff and equipment toward helping women through pregnancy, yet shout out loud and long that they are a "full service women's reproductive health clinic."

PP receives tax funding for "preventative education".  Why would they be unable to get public funding for pre-natal vitamins?  They recruit volunteers like yourself to escort women past sidewalk counselors, but they make no effort to recruit volunteers to drive women to medical appointments or collect maternity clothes or make visits of encouragement after a new baby is born.

Offering these kinds of services would not give PP pro-life support, nor would it make abortion moral.  But by NOT offering them, PP is opening themselves up to accusations of manipulation and collusion to make lucrative abortions more attractive.  I think that many people who volunteer and even work at PP are doing so from pure motives, thinking that they are doing the best thing for women.  But, given the situation I have described in the above paragraphs, I am left with the conclusion that the leadership of PP is not in fact interested in choices, they are interested in abortions.

What are your thoughts on my ridiculously super-long post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;I&#039;d like to see a place where a woman could get everything under one roof: prenatal care, parental support, birth control and, if necessary, abortive services&#8230;Additionally, I think that would require some taxpayer funds and I doubt many would be willing to pay the tab.&#034;</p>
<p>Student&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#039;m going way back to #65 for this, but I haven&#039;t been on in a while!  As you say, it would be better for PP and other &#034;full service women&#039;s reproductive health clinics&#034; to provide the means for women to receive counseling and make an adoption plan if they so choose, and the means for them to receive pre/post-natal medical care and well baby care, as well as financial and emotional support.  The reason I&#039;m concerned about PP (etc) not providing this type of service and not concerned about CPCs not providing abortion services is simple.  PP purports to give women all the choices, explain all the options, and help them make their choice openly.  By not providing even a minimum of care for pregnant women or even having a social worker onsite who counsels on adoption information, they are weighting the scale toward abortion.  Your responses to my earlier questions have left me at the same place I was before regarding PP&#039;s care.  I figure all they can say is, &#034;Have an abortion with us or you&#039;re on your own.  Here&#039;s a business card for an OB.&#034;</p>
<p>The criticism of CPCs that I have read on PP&#039;s website tends to focus on their lack of referrals for abortion.  The difference is, CPCs exist because the people who run them are deeply concerned for expectant mothers and the babies they are carrying.  The people who are running the centers do not believe that abortion is a moral or healing choice, so they are offering every possible support for every other possible choice.</p>
<p>Now, PP says (and I have heard many PP supporters sporting free PP bright pink t-shirts say as much at several Aurora City Council Meetings) that they do not counsel towards abortion nor do they consider abortion to be the best choice for every person.  They lay out all the options, and of a woman CHOOSES abortion, well, then that&#039;s her choice.  Parenting or adoption are no less moral, and no less good decisions.  Yet, PP&#039;s money is not where their mouth is.  They offer no help.  They distribute condoms and BC, but not pre-natal vitamins.  They have medical equipment and staff, but do not do ultrasounds.  They ignore even a small effort that could be made with existing staff and equipment toward helping women through pregnancy, yet shout out loud and long that they are a &#034;full service women&#039;s reproductive health clinic.&#034;</p>
<p>PP receives tax funding for &#034;preventative education&#034;.  Why would they be unable to get public funding for pre-natal vitamins?  They recruit volunteers like yourself to escort women past sidewalk counselors, but they make no effort to recruit volunteers to drive women to medical appointments or collect maternity clothes or make visits of encouragement after a new baby is born.</p>
<p>Offering these kinds of services would not give PP pro-life support, nor would it make abortion moral.  But by NOT offering them, PP is opening themselves up to accusations of manipulation and collusion to make lucrative abortions more attractive.  I think that many people who volunteer and even work at PP are doing so from pure motives, thinking that they are doing the best thing for women.  But, given the situation I have described in the above paragraphs, I am left with the conclusion that the leadership of PP is not in fact interested in choices, they are interested in abortions.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on my ridiculously super-long post?</p>
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		<title>By: Student</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4658</link>
		<dc:creator>Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me,
I'm sorry.  I didn't mean to mischaracterize what you said.  Most abortions performed in this country are done in the first trimester.  I was referring to the safety of a first trimester procedure.  It was not my intent to imply that you agree and/or condone same.  My apologies if I offended you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me,<br />
I&#039;m sorry.  I didn&#039;t mean to mischaracterize what you said.  Most abortions performed in this country are done in the first trimester.  I was referring to the safety of a first trimester procedure.  It was not my intent to imply that you agree and/or condone same.  My apologies if I offended you.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4654</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student,
Where did I say that it was a first-trimester abortion?

However, both I and the baby will disagree with you that its one of the safest medical procedures, though. 

:0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student,<br />
Where did I say that it was a first-trimester abortion?</p>
<p>However, both I and the baby will disagree with you that its one of the safest medical procedures, though. </p>
<p>:0</p>
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		<title>By: Student</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4632</link>
		<dc:creator>Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me,

Yes, you CAN hunt people down by their license plate.  What other reason would there possibly be to photograph them?  I doubt a photo of my plate would be taken simply to hang in one's living room.

Obviously it's her "choice" as to whether or not she wants to sue.  I'm just offer legitimate legal services should she so desire or should anyone here want to get in contact with her and advise her of said offer.

I disagree with you as to the safety of first trimester abortion.....as far as medical procedures go, it is one of the safer ones (although ANY medical procedure carries a risk).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me,</p>
<p>Yes, you CAN hunt people down by their license plate.  What other reason would there possibly be to photograph them?  I doubt a photo of my plate would be taken simply to hang in one&#039;s living room.</p>
<p>Obviously it&#039;s her &#034;choice&#034; as to whether or not she wants to sue.  I&#039;m just offer legitimate legal services should she so desire or should anyone here want to get in contact with her and advise her of said offer.</p>
<p>I disagree with you as to the safety of first trimester abortion&#8230;..as far as medical procedures go, it is one of the safer ones (although ANY medical procedure carries a risk).</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4631</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student,
It's not necessarily malpractice.  It's the nature of the business.  Abortion is risky &#38; the women, hopefully by now, are aware of that. I believe they sign papers, too, stating that they are aware that something "not good" may happen to them as they are having their baby ripped out of their uterus'.

As I state above, if she reads these posts and wants to sue for whatever type of injury she may have sustained, I would encourage her to do so.  But that would be her "choice".  

Can you really hunt people down by getting their plate number and encourage them to sue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student,<br />
It&#039;s not necessarily malpractice.  It&#039;s the nature of the business.  Abortion is risky &amp; the women, hopefully by now, are aware of that. I believe they sign papers, too, stating that they are aware that something &#034;not good&#034; may happen to them as they are having their baby ripped out of their uterus&#039;.</p>
<p>As I state above, if she reads these posts and wants to sue for whatever type of injury she may have sustained, I would encourage her to do so.  But that would be her &#034;choice&#034;.  </p>
<p>Can you really hunt people down by getting their plate number and encourage them to sue?</p>
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		<title>By: Student</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2008/0215/edrica/#comment-4628</link>
		<dc:creator>Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A plate # would allow us to get in touch with her.  I assume that's why plates are photographed....is there another reason of which I'm unaware.  The offer stands though.  If it happened and she wants legal assistance, I'm happy to arrange it.  Malpractice is malpractice and should be prosecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A plate # would allow us to get in touch with her.  I assume that&#039;s why plates are photographed&#8230;.is there another reason of which I&#039;m unaware.  The offer stands though.  If it happened and she wants legal assistance, I&#039;m happy to arrange it.  Malpractice is malpractice and should be prosecuted.</p>
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