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Wednesday Open Thread: Post-Primary Reactions

Posted by Roger on Wednesday, February 6th, 2008

So, Yesterday was "Super Tuesday" as they call it. The Democratic and Republican primaries in Illinois are finished.

Obama and McCain win Illinois. Locally, Oberweis beats out Lauzen.

What are your thoughts on the primary's results?

Also, I read an interesting news article at GOPUSA.com. Here's the start of it:

BEYOND OUTRAGEOUS: Of DuPage County's 549,621 registered voters, 131,635-24% cast Democrat primary ballots, but only 108,582-18% cast Republican primary ballots

It appears that a good number of people crossed over to vote on the other ballot. Maybe people do not have a loyalty to one party or the other, or maybe there was a different reason.

If you voted on a different ballot that "normal", what was your reason, and who did you support?

Thanks and God Bless,
Roger

Election results at CNN.com

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37 Responses to “Wednesday Open Thread: Post-Primary Reactions”

  1. rosie says:

    maybe pro-life republicans didn't see the point in voting for someone who wasn't pro-life. McCain got the majority vote….

    February 6th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
  2. Laura says:

    We had sooooo better get some free ice cream coupons out of this one (Jim..hint-hint)

    February 6th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
  3. Dem or Rep? says:

    "BEYOND OUTRAGEOUS: Of DuPage County's 549,621 registered voters, 131,635-24% cast Democrat primary ballots, but only 108,582-18% cast Republican primary ballots"

    Is it still true that in Illinois you have to declare yourself dem or rep in order to vote in the primary? That's what I heard, so I didn't vote. I don't think it's anyone's business what "party" I belong to, and I know that there are many republicans that feel the same way. Not saying I'm a republican or anything, just sayin'!

    February 6th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
  4. HR says:

    Uggh-someone stole my sign. Or maybe it's just buried in all the snow, but I dug around a bit and couldn't find it. RATS!

    As for politics…I don't think the republicans adequately deal with caring for the poor.

    However, I just can't get past the lack of concern for life the democratic platform offers.

    I voted as I always do…republican again.

    -HR

    February 6th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
  5. Tara says:

    Dem or Rep,

    Yes it is true that you must declare which party you are voting. When I voted yesterday, they asked me to write which party I was choosing on the document that I signed, so they could give me the correct ballot. There were two different ballots, one Republican the other Democrat. Primaries are different then the General election. Independents can vote in IL, but they have to declare which party they are voting.

    February 6th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
  6. Dem or Rep? says:

    Tara,
    Thanks. That just doesn't seem right, IMO.
    I'm glad I didn't vote yesterday for that reason, but I wish I would have. (if that makes any sense).

    I've heard horror stories about people that were not treated well by the "other party in office" because of what they declared themselves "as" in the primary.

    February 6th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
  7. MargoCupps says:

    I can tell you that I VOTED and proudly!

    I took my PRO-LIFE candidate sheet with me and this was the first time I had spent so much time in the booth voting for the right person for the right reason.

    After observing the Aurora City Council in action
    (or lack of action)I am determined to clean up this town starting with my neighbor down the street!

    February 6th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
  8. HR says:

    Hey Dem or Rep?,

    "I've heard horror stories about people that were not treated well by the "other party in office"

    Pray about it and then vote your conscious. I wouldn't fear any retaliation.

    -HR

    February 6th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
  9. Roger says:

    HR,

    I see that most of the signs along the streets by my house are gone, including the one that was in my yard. I suspect the campaign offices picking up the signs, but who knows.

    Dem or Rep?,

    When you vote in a primary, either the Republican or Democratic one, you are selecting who will represent you for that party. You can't really belong to both parties, so you need to choose. In other states, I believe, the Rep and Dem primaries are not always on the same date.

    God Bless,
    Roger

    February 6th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
  10. Sylvia says:

    There were a lot of Republican pro-life losses yesterday. Sauerberg (US Senate), Judy Biggert (IL Rep 13), Kay Hatcher (IL Rep 50), were some of the many pro-abortion Republicans who got elected. All were backed by the state Party. All are pro-abortion. All had very good pro-life opponents.

    I talked extensively to Mike Psak, US Senate candidate. He was shut out by Andy McKenna, state party chairman, who would not even meet with him despite repeated requests. McKenna and the State Central Committee endorsed Sauerberg, using Party resources to help his campaign, an unusual move since their role is supposed to be to remain neutral and support ALL primary candidates. McKenna and the IL GOP then removed Mike Psak and Andy Martin from their web site's list of candidates and labeled them "fringe" and "perennial", respectively, in the newspapers. (They never did list Alan Keyes as a presidential candidate, even after I had sent emails, with no reply.) No papers would publish any of Psak's press releases, while printing Sauerberg's. The Tribune, in its wrap-up today, said that on the campaign trail Sauerberg would not even appear with Psak and Martin, so as to set himself apart as the "chosen one" of the Party. Pretty sad, isn't it?

    The IL GOP leaders are liberal. They push liberal candidates. They have the money and power to win elections. We Pro-lifers don't stand a chance with the way things are now. Unfortunately, too few people take the time to research candidates, but instead vote the way the Party tells them to. Illinois is in actuality a one-party state. Is it any wonder, then, that so few Republicans vote when our choices are so limited and the good choices we have don't win?

    I heard from a reliable source that they're grooming Tom Cross for the next run for governor. He's PRO-ABORTION. And he's the House Minority Leader. When will people start to care and DO something?

    What can YOU do? Become a Republican Committeeman (CM). I did two years ago. (That's how I discovered how bad the IL Republican Party is.) What do they do? CM are elected or appointed from precincts and meet once a month. Where the power lies is that they elect their county chairman and a delegate to the State Central Committee shortly after the primary. The SCC sets the tone for the state. The SCC chooses the party chairman. CM also decide which organizations and candidates they will support financially. You will have access to the lists they keep of who votes which party in primaries and how often. Yes, they keep track and label you as "hard" or "soft" Republican or Democrat, or "independent" if you've voted both parties. Before elections you can use the lists to make endorsements and pass out voters guides to the Republicans in your precinct. You can meet the candidates and question them on their views when they come to your meetings. You can inform voters of the issues that are important to you (e.g., pro-life) that the media marginalizes.

    You don't have to know anything to be a Committeeman. You can learn on the job. Don't be afraid to ask questions. Sit next to someone who's been there a while and ask questions. Then don't be afraid to speak up. We desperately need more pro-lifers involved. I'm the lone pro-life voice in Batavia. I've more than once been the only one to vote "Nay" when the vote came up to give a candidate or organization money. But you know what? I and all who are pro-life have the party platform behind us. The platform says the Republican Party supports life from conception. When a candidate comes up for vote for money, if he/she doesn't support the platform, I will not vote for him/her. I once asked how a Republican women's group chooses the women they honor and support, if they select based on the platform. When the answer was "no, there are no criteria like that", I said I would then not vote to give them money. You don't have to get into arguments about "personal morality". You can use the "Party Platform" as your defense. After all, what good is a platform if nobody follows it?

    How do you become a Committeeman? Since the election is over, you can still be a CM by being appointed. Go to your county board of election's web site and find your precinct from the list of Committeeman candidates. If there is no CM listed, you can contact your township chairman (from your county's GOP site) and ask to be appointed. If your precinct already has a CM, you can ask if there is a vacancy in a neighboring precinct. You will then have to attend the next township meeting where you will be voted on (a formality…At least in Batavia, we don't refuse volunteers.) If you hurry, you can be appointed before the county meeting.

    If you would like to help take back the GOP, you've got to do something. And if you don't, who will? Become a Committeeman. Better yet, grab a friend and do it together.

    Final note: Word has it that because Sauerberg won, the Constitution Party will run Chad Koppie, a staunch pro-lifer, against Dick Durbin. The Constitution Party is working hard to become a viable national 3rd party. It is a pro-life, pro-Constitution, conservative party. They will need signature gatherers beginning end of March.

    February 7th, 2008 at 12:54 am
  11. Carol says:

    I'm curious. Why do you assume that the stats indicate that there must have been cross-over R's voting D ballots?

    Given the growth of DuPage/Will/Kane counties over the past several years, mostly due to city-dwellers coming out to the 'burbs for affordable housing, I'm guessing that there has been a pretty large increase in the number of Dems.

    February 7th, 2008 at 9:27 am
  12. sasha says:

    I voted like I believe, republican.

    February 7th, 2008 at 9:34 am
  13. Brian says:

    Carol, I think it's probably a combination of changed demographics in DuPage along with the strong Obamamania that is gripping otherwise reasonable people.

    February 7th, 2008 at 9:57 am
  14. Carol says:

    True, Brian. D's have an exciting array of options this year….R's, not so much.

    February 7th, 2008 at 10:19 am
  15. Ann says:

    Steve Sauerberg came to SpeakOut Illinois last Saturday, so although he is not fully pro-life, he's reaching out to the pro-life community and he is light years better than our current Dick Durbin. Now would probably be the time to sit down with Sauerberg and get some commitments from him on possible pro-life legislation, as well as ways to block any democrat attempts to undue the minimal restrictions we have managed to get on abortion. If a Democrat ends up in the White House we will need some friends in the Senate and House.

    February 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am
  16. Mike B. says:

    Regarding Sylvia's post, if anyone has in interest in becoming a committeeman for the Aurora Township Republican Central Committee, please contact me. michaelbauer1@hotmail.com

    February 7th, 2008 at 11:23 am
  17. Sylvia says:

    Dick Durbin started out pro-life. He claims to be Catholic. Power corrupted him and he became staunchly pro-abortion.

    Steve Sauerberg reaches out to pro-lifers. I personally think it is a political ploy, because as Judy Baar Topinka demonstrated, Republicans can't win the state without the conservative vote. Sauerberg admitted in a "Public Affairs" television interview that he could potentially approve an "avowedly pro-choice" Supreme Court Justice. An 8/2/07 Daily Herald article said Sauerberg thinks abortion should be allowed under some unspecified circumstances. He refuses to be labeled "pro-life", and even the Relevant Radio commercials he ran just before the election never said he was pro-life, only that he and his wife donated money to crisis pregnancy centers. Be careful in whom you place your trust. I'd like to think Sauerberg can be won over, but the adage "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" too often shows to be true.

    But we can always keep praying.

    February 7th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
  18. Jerry N says:

    As we go further into this election cycle the candidate's stances on the issues will hopefully begin to take center stage. Right now the great political theater is the Clinton/Obama race and increasingly the Obama phenomena.

    Pro-lifers have some big decisions to make. At the national level if it boils down to McCain vs. either Hil or Barack, what will conservatives do? Ann Coulter says she will bolt, and other commentators are equally unhappy with the prospect of McCain. Of course there is still a remote chance that Huckabee will emerge in a big way.

    The interesting thing about McCain from a pro-life standpoint is Sen. Brownback's unequivacable support for him. He says McCain is the guy that will deliver on supreme court picks and has an all around pro-life position. In his speech today to conservatives McCain reiterated his pro-life stance. But along the way McCain has alienated a lot of conservatives with his alliances with liberals on issues like campaign financing and immigration. Staunch pro-lifer and ex-senator Rick Santorum has some very strong reservations about McCain as well.

    As for supreme court picks it has been said that up to six openings could occur during the next presidency–not sure if this is one or two terms. The next president thus has the power to remake the judiciary in a way that would have profound implications for generations. Obviously, we know where Hil would go with this. Would Barack be any better?

    February 7th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
  19. Roger says:

    Jerry N,

    Barack would be worse.

    God Bless,
    Roger

    February 7th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
  20. Brian says:

    Obama bottled up the Illinois version of the Born Alive Protection Act. Eric Zorn might make every excuse for him about it, but the fact is that Obama does not believe that babies (not fetuses, mind you, but born babies) who survive an abortion need not be given medical attention, or in cases where they are going to die, even minimal comforting care.

    February 8th, 2008 at 12:14 am
  21. IPaul2 says:

    Jerry,
    Another thing you forgot to mention about McCain is he voted no to the Defense Of Marriage Act.

    February 8th, 2008 at 12:48 am
  22. Dan the Methodist says:

    John McCain is our best option for a candidate to win.
    John McCain has no loyalty or Principals that I could define for you based on his voting record.
    Lets just say I might also be a "MAVERICK" when I vote.
    Both parties are in engaging in campaigns of defeat. They are trying to shape the general elections through primary defeats. I will be that there were a lot of Democrat Liberals that declared themselves Republicans on Tuesday, in order to vote their JOHN in and leave us without a conservative on the ballot in November.
    I thought you had to declare your party affiliation in advance so people couldn't just crossover and tank an opposition primary?

    February 8th, 2008 at 6:35 am
  23. Roger says:

    Dan the Methodist,

    I thought you had to declare your party affiliation in advance so people couldn't just crossover and tank an opposition primary?

    There is no restriction on "crossover". The poll judges just ask which type of ballot you want. People tend to stick with the party they affiliate with, but nothing prevents anyone from voting on the ballot of the "other party".

    God Bless,
    Roger

    February 8th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
  24. Charles says:

    Dem or Rep?,

    The reason that voters must declare a party in the primary elections is to choose which candidate will receive their respective party’s funds during the general election.

    February 11th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
  25. Dan the Methodist says:

    1st, I believe that you should have to declare your party affiliation well in advance of the primary elections. If you can choose the day of the Primary then you have an advantage. If you were a liberal on immigration and taxes for instance, you would most likely be a Democrat, but not on this Super Tuesday. You have 2 liberals on Taxation and Immigration already running on the Democratic side, but if you were to say claim Republican and vote for John McCain who is leading the Republican and has a record of voting for taxation and amnesty, then you have solidified a candidate of your liking for the Election no matter who wins the primaries. You have also left a party that was supposed to be conservative spinning and out of control.

    On another note, I have mentioned how I have been asked to stop submitting prayers at my Church on Sunday's that have anything to do with abortion, I have new info. This Sunday was Boy Scout Sunday, so my prayer was, "For the Boy Scouts, that they learn the teachings of Christ and use those teachings for life."
    When it was read Pastor read, "use those teachings for their lives."
    As you can see, I cannot slip a wimpy pro-life gesture or the whisper of one anymore, because it has OFFENDED!

    The Methodist Church is being dishonest and I intend to meet the battle. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    February 12th, 2008 at 6:44 am
  26. Mike says:

    I just wanted to get everyones thoughts on this…

    What Would Happen in this Country if the Super-Delegates "Abort" the Peoples Choice?

    Mike

    February 12th, 2008 at 11:13 am
  27. Mike says:

    Is McCain Really Pro-Life (VIDEOS)??

    http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/marykay_the_vid.html

    More…

    http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/mccain_on_schia.html#comments

    Mike

    February 12th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
  28. Dan the Methodist says:

    Today's politicians don't have that much courage.

    February 13th, 2008 at 6:22 am
  29. Paul2 says:

    Dan the Methodist. The only suggestion/advice I can offer is to perservere and take it n baby steps. Sometimes we can only get people to understand a bit at a time. Any idividual within the church may use different "reasoning" to justify abortion in their head. You need to ask the right questions and listen to each persons rationale so you can help them understand the failed logic in their rationale both scientifically and according to God's plan for mankindand. I will include you and succss in your efforts in my prayers during this Lenten season.

    Yours in Jesus Christ,
    Paul2

    February 13th, 2008 at 10:25 am
  30. Dan the Methodist says:

    Thanks Paul.
    Since my pastor isn't letting me brush the congregation with ideas, then I will confront him.
    He had a sermon full of generalities last Sunday that will strike him to the core when I replace a few choice generalities like temptation, forbidden fruit, and consequences with Sex, Sex and Abortion.
    It should be very enlightening.

    February 14th, 2008 at 6:37 am
  31. Paul2 says:

    Dan the Methodist,
    The fact that your pastor is even talking about it is a positive thing. Maybe he doesn't say sex and abortion at the puplpit cause he wants to keep it clean. It should be easier to discern when you talk with ech other "one on one". Scripture is always helpful. Ask and God will show you the chapter and verse.

    February 15th, 2008 at 1:44 am
  32. Paul2 says:

    Dan the Methodist,
    I recommend reading Jeremiah chapter one. It could prove inspirational in your batlles to keep the Methodist Church a dwelling where it is taught that all life belongs to the Lord.

    February 15th, 2008 at 3:10 am
  33. Erin says:

    Dan the Methodist–

    I really admire your attempts to have pro-life beliefs accepted and validated by your church, even in the face of opposition from your pastor. That takes a lot of grit and determination, and it is commendable. I think, though, that you are underestimating the scope of the problem. I went to a UMC college and I saw the pro-choice and pro-open-sexuality bias of the college leaders and also many friends who were later to become Methodist pastors. The fact is, the entire UMC in the United States is not pro-life. This is a quote from their official website,

    "We recognize the tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion and urge prayerful consideration by all parties involved. We assert the right of every person to die with dignity."

    This is bigger than your personal church, your congregation, and your pastor. I pray that you will make a difference that hopefully will ripple throughout the Methodist Church, but I am not surprised at the opposition you have faced. My experience with Methodism has been that some individuals and leaders are willing to sacrifice God's clear direction in favor of "tolerance." May God be with you as you talk to your pastor and others in your congregation.

    Erin

    February 15th, 2008 at 11:55 am
  34. Karen K. says:

    Everyone! Miracles do happen and for the sake of our country and the pro-life cause start praying for Mike Huckabee for president, with God all things are possible! Get the word out he is a Godly man and fully pro-life. Pray, pray, pray! If then, there seems to be no hope pro-lifers must vote for McCain because Clinton and most especially Obama are evil!!! and God have mercy on us if one of them win!

    February 15th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
  35. Mike says:

    Someone asked me this question…

    ——-

    Candidate 1 or Candidate 2 are likely to win the Presidential Election. Most people feel Candidate 3 has no chance to win the election.

    Candidate 1 is 100% Pro-Abortion and calls himself/herself "Pro-Choice".

    Candidate 2 is somewhere between 100% Pro-Abortion & 100% Pro-Life but calls himself/herself "Pro-Life".

    Candidate 3 is 100% Pro-Life and calls himself/herself "Pro-Life".

    Abortion is no-doubt by far the #1 issue in the election since no other issue or combination of issues has killed over 45 million babies to date.

    Who Would Jesus Vote For (WWJD)?

    A) Candidate 1
    B) Candidate 2
    C) Candidate 3

    Mike

    February 24th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
  36. Mike says:

    I thought about my above question for a long time. Then I read this inspiring story below and it gave me the answer.

    ——-

    THE ROCK

    From Mike O'Melia

    There was a man who had a dream. He heard God speaking to him. "Press hard against the large rock". He did not understand this until the morning. He looked out from his hut and saw a huge rock that had rolled down the hillside.

    He began to push and push, but he could not move the rock. Throughout the day he had several attempts, but he could not move it. Convinced that God had spoken to him, he made a mission of this task and for weeks he spent some hours every day but he could not budge the rock.

    A traveler came by and asked him what he was doing. "God told me to move this rock" he replied. The traveler laughed and said, "You must be mistaken. You will never move a rock that large". Still the man continued his attempts to move the rock without success. Another traveler came by some weeks later and asked what he was doing.

    "God told me to move this rock" he replied. The traveler scorned him and said, "Your God is stupid to ask such a thing. It is impossible. Give up". That night the man turned to God in his prayer. "Lord, I have done what you asked, but the task is impossible and it seems you have made fun of me. The travelers have mocked me for believing that I could move the rock as you asked me to do".

    Then God spoke gently to him "My son. Look at your strong arms and legs; look at the rippling muscles in your back; look at the tanned hardness of your skin. Look at your increased strength. Look what has happened to you. You are a different man! I asked you to press against the rock and this you have done. I never told you to move it!"

    http://www.2jesus.org/inspstories/rock.html

    Mike

    February 24th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
  37. Mike says:

    To me the story says vote for the candidate who best represents God. Don't worry whether or not if the candidate has a chance to win. Just do what Jesus would do and put "Your Trust In God" and God will do the rest.

    Mike

    February 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

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