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]]> By: Paul2 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3907 Paul2 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:47:48 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3907 That is awesome. I had the pleasure of praying while Connie and Christine provided sidewalk counseling last Saturday and they are VERY good...and getting better each time I see them :) You go girls! That is awesome. I had the pleasure of praying while Connie and Christine provided sidewalk counseling last Saturday and they are VERY good…and getting better each time I see them :) You go girls!

]]> By: s. fane http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3906 s. fane Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:56:24 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3906 If anyone is interested there was a save today! A teenaged couple drove into to PP lot and after consideration turned their car around and drove out. Randy M. was there with his sign. Two prayer partners in parking lot. (They,the mom and dad, gave us the thumbs up and Mom looked joyful and relieved!) Pray that they continue in their resolve. They did not take literature so also pray that they are able to hook up with help along the way! Also thanks to the intercession and intervention of Connie and Christine (hope I got spelling right--like Christ correct?) via the Holy Spirit there were two saves during the day of the last rally. Connie brings angels with her wherever she goes; fortunately she left her angels with us and that young teenaged couple today. Catholics ask St. Therese's intercession because just as I was mentioning her their car rolled past. I was jumping up and down. The staff inside must have even gotten a chuckle. Mary Vilim got literature out to 3 or 4 women. The turn-out for side-walk counselors was phenomenal today. Praise God! Thank you Jesus. If anyone is interested there was a save today! A teenaged couple drove into to PP lot and after consideration turned their car around and drove out. Randy M. was there with his sign. Two prayer partners in parking lot. (They,the mom and dad, gave us the thumbs up and Mom looked joyful and relieved!) Pray that they continue in their resolve. They did not take literature so also pray that they are able to hook up with help along the way! Also thanks to the intercession and intervention of Connie and Christine (hope I got spelling right–like Christ correct?) via the Holy Spirit there were two saves during the day of the last rally. Connie brings angels with her wherever she goes; fortunately she left her angels with us and that young teenaged couple today. Catholics ask St. Therese's intercession because just as I was mentioning her their car rolled past. I was jumping up and down. The staff inside must have even gotten a chuckle. Mary Vilim got literature out to 3 or 4 women. The turn-out for side-walk counselors was phenomenal today. Praise God!

Thank you Jesus.

]]> By: Tara http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3876 Tara Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:27:20 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3876 Student, Thank you for your conversation. It is refreshing to see converstation instead of shouting, and swearing. The only way to understand one another is by talking to, not at. Sorry for not responding sooner to your question: My question is, what is the motivation of the PC community that IS NOT making any money? What motivates them to be PC if, in fact, they do not profit by same? I think part of it is a responsiblity issue. We live in a culture that blames everyone else for decisions we make, and live in an I society. As long as I don't hurt or bother anyone who cares what I do. I want to have sex and if I get pregnant so what I can get an abortion and get rid of the problem. There lies one of the issues. We are not talking about whether one should change jobs. We are literally deciding whether a Human Being - an unborn child is going to live or die. But you said something to Erin that I think is one of the issues at the heart of this issue. You said you do not believe in absolute truths. This is very much part of Realitivism. This worldview allows for all actions and behaviors to be justified. With this point of view, nothing is wrong or downright evil. It allows for all actions and/or viewpoints to be seen as correct. There are aboslute truths. It is absolutely wrong to kill innocent people, to steal, rape, commit incest, to produce child pronogrophy, and the list goes on and on. There are no justifications that can be made. So to say that abortion doesn't hurt anyone is a lie. It kills an innocent person, who is the most vulnerable of us all. And in the end it hurts the girl/woman who choose it. So even if the PC community isn't making money directly it is supporting entities that do. Women Study classes in colleges do not teach that the founding mothers of Feminism were Pro-Life. They do not teach that abortion split the women's movement. They do not teach that they manipulated and lied about statistics and used Norma McCorvey to get Roe passed. They do not teach that PP was founded by a Nazi Eugenist whose goal was to "control" minority populations. She believed Blacks, Hispanics, Asians were chaft and animals who needed to be controlled. Read Margret Sanger's papers. It should make anyone's blood boil, but PP gives out the Maggie Awards every year. Even PC scholars agree that Roe v Wade is bad law. But the PC Community will not allow for anyone who challenges the status quo. When former abortionists talk about the fact abortion is all about money and not about women's health, when there are about 20 different studies that show some links between breast cancer and abortion, when studies show abortion emotionally and physically harms women, the PC Community rips them apart. Instead of debating and discussing they go on attack mode. They try to discredit the scientists. So my question to you is - What is the PC Community afraid of? What does it get from supporting abortion? Why does a innocent unborn child have to die in order for a woman to be empowered? Why can't the PC Community love them both? And the argument that in one situation a child is wanted and in another is isn't does not hold up. I hope that we can continue our discussion. Student,

Thank you for your conversation. It is refreshing to see converstation instead of shouting, and swearing. The only way to understand one another is by talking to, not at.

Sorry for not responding sooner to your question:

My question is, what is the motivation of the PC community that IS NOT making any money? What motivates them to be PC if, in fact, they do not profit by same?

I think part of it is a responsiblity issue. We live in a culture that blames everyone else for decisions we make, and live in an I society. As long as I don't hurt or bother anyone who cares what I do. I want to have sex and if I get pregnant so what I can get an abortion and get rid of the problem. There lies one of the issues. We are not talking about whether one should change jobs. We are literally deciding whether a Human Being - an unborn child is going to live or die.

But you said something to Erin that I think is one of the issues at the heart of this issue. You said you do not believe in absolute truths. This is very much part of Realitivism. This worldview allows for all actions and behaviors to be justified. With this point of view, nothing is wrong or downright evil. It allows for all actions and/or viewpoints to be seen as correct.

There are aboslute truths. It is absolutely wrong to kill innocent people, to steal, rape, commit incest, to produce child pronogrophy, and the list goes on and on. There are no justifications that can be made. So to say that abortion doesn't hurt anyone is a lie. It kills an innocent person, who is the most vulnerable of us all. And in the end it hurts the girl/woman who choose it.

So even if the PC community isn't making money directly it is supporting entities that do. Women Study classes in colleges do not teach that the founding mothers of Feminism were Pro-Life. They do not teach that abortion split the women's movement. They do not teach that they manipulated and lied about statistics and used Norma McCorvey to get Roe passed. They do not teach that PP was founded by a Nazi Eugenist whose goal was to "control" minority populations. She believed Blacks, Hispanics, Asians were chaft and animals who needed to be controlled. Read Margret Sanger's papers. It should make anyone's blood boil, but PP gives out the Maggie Awards every year. Even PC scholars agree that Roe v Wade is bad law.

But the PC Community will not allow for anyone who challenges the status quo. When former abortionists talk about the fact abortion is all about money and not about women's health, when there are about 20 different studies that show some links between breast cancer and abortion, when studies show abortion emotionally and physically harms women, the PC Community rips them apart. Instead of debating and discussing they go on attack mode. They try to discredit the scientists.

So my question to you is - What is the PC Community afraid of? What does it get from supporting abortion? Why does a innocent unborn child have to die in order for a woman to be empowered? Why can't the PC Community love them both? And the argument that in one situation a child is wanted and in another is isn't does not hold up.

I hope that we can continue our discussion.

]]> By: Paul2 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3872 Paul2 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:46:20 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3872 Student, Thank you for open-mindedness and caring Student,
Thank you for open-mindedness and caring

]]> By: Student http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3701 Student Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:56:03 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3701 Erin, I have no idea why the e-mail address didn't work for you, however, I sent you a personal e-mail and hopefully that will work. Again, many thanks! Erin,
I have no idea why the e-mail address didn't work for you, however, I sent you a personal e-mail and hopefully that will work. Again, many thanks!

]]> By: Erin http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3695 Erin Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:32:01 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3695 I'd be happy to talk to you, but the email address didn't work. Mine is kiddobeans@gmail.com. I hope to hear from you--let's see if we can't make each other think really hard! But, you know, I'm not anyone who would necessarily make a good source for a paper--just a concerned citizen, really. Erin I'd be happy to talk to you, but the email address didn't work. Mine is kiddobeans@gmail.com. I hope to hear from you–let's see if we can't make each other think really hard! But, you know, I'm not anyone who would necessarily make a good source for a paper–just a concerned citizen, really.

Erin

]]> By: Erin http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3693 Erin Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:26:01 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3693 The VNA is the "Visiting Nurses Association". It is a non-profit medical facility that has care for men, women, and children. They do STD testing, mammograms, paps, everything that PP does except abortion and abortion counseling. They also do everything else that you need in a medical clinic, like flu shots and throat cultures and a million other things that PP would never think of doing. My sister-in-law took her son there for all of his vaccinations and well-baby visits when her husband was out of work. They just opened up a brand new building that I often pass while I am out and about. Their website is www.vnafoxvalley.com/ The VNA is the "Visiting Nurses Association". It is a non-profit medical facility that has care for men, women, and children. They do STD testing, mammograms, paps, everything that PP does except abortion and abortion counseling. They also do everything else that you need in a medical clinic, like flu shots and throat cultures and a million other things that PP would never think of doing. My sister-in-law took her son there for all of his vaccinations and well-baby visits when her husband was out of work. They just opened up a brand new building that I often pass while I am out and about. Their website is http://www.vnafoxvalley.com/

]]> By: Student http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3692 Student Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:22:21 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3692 Erin, I appreciate the way you have been able to engage in a meaningful discussion without getting ugly. I've seen far too much of that lately from PCers and PLers alike. I have some other questions I'd like to ask for a paper I'm doing, however, I would prefer to do it via private e-mail. I have a new quarter starting tomorrow and have some reading to do to prepare tonight. If you are interested in continuing this, please feel free to contact me at studenttwentyoeight@yahoo.com. If you prefer not to do so I certainly understand. Thanks for your time this evening. Erin,
I appreciate the way you have been able to engage in a meaningful discussion without getting ugly. I've seen far too much of that lately from PCers and PLers alike. I have some other questions I'd like to ask for a paper I'm doing, however, I would prefer to do it via private e-mail. I have a new quarter starting tomorrow and have some reading to do to prepare tonight. If you are interested in continuing this, please feel free to contact me at studenttwentyoeight@yahoo.com. If you prefer not to do so I certainly understand. Thanks for your time this evening.

]]> By: Student http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3691 Student Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:17:51 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1225/manger-at-pp/#comment-3691 I thought it would be otherwise because I've seen on this site the call to protest the Naperville facility and I know for a fact that they do not perform abortions. I am sorry if I misjudged you in that. What is VNA? I thought it would be otherwise because I've seen on this site the call to protest the Naperville facility and I know for a fact that they do not perform abortions. I am sorry if I misjudged you in that.

What is VNA?

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