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Aldermania VII: Parental Notice Resolution

Posted by Eric Scheidler on Tuesday, November 27th, 2007

Aurora City HallTonight for the first time the City Council will vote on an agenda item of concern to the pro-life community: a non-binding resolution proposed by Alderman Chris Beykirch which calls upon the State of Illinois to do what it takes to enforce the 1995 Parental Notice Act.

As of 3:30 p.m., over 70 people are signed up to speak on this agenda item. I will begin live-blogging the City Council meeting at 6:00 p.m., with help from my assistant Matt.

6:00 p.m. The aldermen are filing in and taking their seats. Corporation Counsel Alayne Weingartz is in position, ready to interrupt every community speaker at the two-minute-and-thirty-second mark.

We're waiting for item GO07.222, Resolution Calling for Action on the Parental Notification Act of 1995. It's near the end of Unfinished Business, so it will be some time before we hear public comment on the issue.

6:10 p.m. We have pledged allegance to the flag and prayed that God will inspire this meeting and protect our community. Mayor Weisner is now making a presentation to the Boyz II Men Fraternity, an outreach to young black and Latino men. Inspiring stuff.

6:20 p.m. The Council has approved the items on the Consent Agenda and moved on to Unfinished Business. GO07.222 is item 14 out of 17. I'm guessing it will be about twenty minutes before the get to it, unless there is serious discussion of item 5 on the red light cameras system.

City council 11/276:25 p.m. The first four items of Unfinished Business were approved together, and now Weingartz informs the Council that contract negotiations with Redflex, the red light camera guys, are still underway. The Council votes to punt the item for two weeks.

6:30 p.m. Action proceedes. I'm curious to see if the Council will attempt to impose a time limit on public comment. Past time limits were imposed on the basis of so many having signed up to speak on non-agenda items, but now we're here for an item on the agenda. We've seen the rules change again and again, so it's anybody's guess what they'll do.

However, one good sign is that the police sergeant at the door did not appear to be ticking off names from a list. Perhaps the complaints raised about Open Meetings Act violations are hitting home.

6:50 p.m. We're on item 10. It won't be long now. I see Terry Hunt here, a pro-life Republican running for State Representative in the 50th District, as well as Jim Oberweis, whose running for Congress in the 14th Congressional District. I'm sure State Senator Chris Lauzen, who is also running in that race, would be here too if he could be; he's busy fighting the good fight down in Springfield.

6:55 p.m. There's some debate—that is to say, Alderman Lawrence is asking questions—about an ordinance to establish customer service standards for cable and video providers. At one point, Lawrence tries to clarify a point when the Mayor's speaking and he (the Mayor) says, "You had your chance to speak." Those two don't appear to be great friends.

Eric live-bloggingOur item should have been next, but the Mayor requested that it be put off until after the BGI items (the remaining ones on the list), which some people have apparently come to speak on.

7:00 p.m. We're on. The Mayor has moved to allow members of the public to speak. Lawrence pipes up that he has an amendment to the Resolution, but the Mayor says we should here from the public first. Resolution passes. No move to set a time limit.

7:05 p.m. I speculated last time that John Thorne must have the City Clerk's office on speed dial. Here he is, first again, linking the Parental Notice Resolution (hereafter, "PNR") to both common sense and natural law. To own the truth, I have the City Clerk on speed dial myself, but John always beats me to the punch (I'm #6 on the list).

Matt's going to jump in here and make some of the updates. He'll conclude his posts with "[Matt]".

Joe Basar speaks on behalf of neighboring communities, being from Plainfield. He says Planned Parenthood's activities here will effect not only Aurorans and their daughters, but also surrounding communities and their daughters. [Matt]

Aldermen Keith, Saville and IrvinNancy Klenemeyer reminds us that without Parental Notice laws, sexual predators have a much greater chance of covering up their crimes. She also points out that due to Illinois's current unenforceable Parental Notice law, Illinois has become an abortion dumping ground for minor girls from surrounding states. [Matt]

7:10 p.m. Next Wanda Geist reflects on Thanksgiving and what she's thankful for. Family, life, freedom, and reproductive freedoms in particular top the list. She's thankful for religious freedom, and, more to the point, the freedom to disagree with our government and petition them for what we believe is the right thing. Finally, she's thankful for the City Council and calls on them to pass the Parental Notice Resolution. [Matt]

Eric Scheidler thanks Alderman Chris Beykirch for bringing this resolution forth. Eric tells us next about the involved procedure his daughter had to go through to receive a brace to treat her scoliosis. The doctor pointed out the difficulty of treating teens, who will often want to abandon the demanding brace and opt for dangerous back surgery. Teens need parental guidance because they simply don't see the big picture. Eric tells us that even pro-choice neighbors support this resolution because they simply care about their daughters. He finally tells us that a vote for this resolution is not a vote against abortion but a vote for parents' rights and children's health and safety. [Matt]

7:15 p.m. Laetitia Benberry draws on her experience as nurse to talk about the increased health risks of abortion for minor girls. She is followed by her husband Herschel, who says Illinois has to get in line with sorrounding states and enforce parental notification.

7:20 p.m. It's a wheelchair parade here! Herschel Benberry, who is wheelchair bound, is followed by Diane Picciuoulo, who calls up on the Council to get together and vote in favor of this resoultion.

Timekeeper Alayne WeingartzNow Bonnie Grabenhofer steps up to repeat some of the statistics she has before. She says Parental Notification is dangerous for girls and declares that the PNR is "deliberately misleading". She somehow claims that nationwide parental notification is recognized as bad policy (in fact, over 30 states have such laws). Bonnie gets rather heated as her three minutes proceeds. She concludes—and curiously she makes this point more emphatically than any—by insisting that she does live in Aurora—that's some other "Bonnie Grabenhofer" who lives in Elmhurst. Wow.

7:30 p.m. Bruce Sutcliffe reminds the Council that each of them will have to make an account to God of our lives. He tells them about his experience as a Marine defending those who can't defend themselves. He says that he buried a three-month-old daughter, so he knows what it's like to lose a child. He talks about what it's like to stand there outside Planned parenthood and see these young girls going into that facility for abortions their parents know nothing about.

By the way, last time there were few enough speakers that I was able to write about each one. But tonight there's at least 70 on the docket. I'll keep up as best I can, but I just won't be able to comment on everyone.

7:35 p.m. Linda Dudley tells about a friend who runs an ambulance service, who told her that his ambulances are often called out to abortion clinics to race girls to the hospital when abortion goes wrong. Some of them bleed to death.

Isabelle Earl, our youngest activist7:40 p.m. Matt Yonke first asks the Council to let him know if they know anyone looking for a condo in Wheaton; he needs to sell his so he can move to Aurora. Matt talks about the inviolability of the family, and points out that the point of parental notification is not to take away anyone's rights, but to protect the rights of individuals who are still learning how to exercise those rights.

7:45 p.m. Janice Kalita talks about her experience teaching at Rosary High School, where she taught the girls that no matter what their fears, parents will almost always rise to the challenge when they have to deal with something like pregnancy. She tells the story of a cynical girl who got pregnant and whose parents did just that.

Next is Heidi Brooker, another adolescent educator, who talks about the effect that "calling a parent" has on kids; it's the final step in the hierarchy of consequences for misbehavior. Nobody would dream of not telling a parent about Jimmy's bad spelling test; only reproductive health gets this exception. And the reason? Planned Parenthood's abortion profiteering.

I'll have to get Heidi's remarks in full again, to post here. She's always brilliant.

7:50 p.m. We've got a run of educators and nurses here. Impressive stuff. Karen Seever talks about the scientifically demonstrated neurological differences between adolescent and adult brains, and how this is manifest in decision making and judgment.

Ann Canning talks about the irony of receiving a Ward 9 e-mail about a couple of dogs killed in the Ward, calling for information on the crime, while the killing of unborn babies is tolerated.

7:55 p.m. Now Jane Fonner talks about how her neighbors, whom she's been getting to sign petitions on this issue, are in favor of parental notification regardless of where they stand on abortion. Then she talks about her husband's news that Alayne Weingartz put out a memo at Provena Mercy asking doctors to come and speak on this issue.

Wow. I'd love to know more about that! What's Alayne up to?

I'm going to hand things off to Matt for a bit.

Greg Guest tells us some details about the Parental Notice Law now held up in court. He tells us of the details of how the state is dragging its feet on getting this law enforced. He points out the judicial safeguards and that this law has everything needed to be a good constitutional law. The problem isn't the law, the problem is that pro-choicers will not stand idly by while any restriction exists on abortion. He wisely says that the best place for a pregnant minor is in the arms of her parents. [Matt]

8:00 p.m. John Zahn points out that the judicial bypass feature answers the pro-choice objections and protects girls from sexual predator, and reminds us of the importance of electing good officials in Springfield who make these very laws. [Matt]

Congressional candidate Jim Oberweis tells us of his history living and teaching in Aurora. He speaks as a father and grandfather of the decision-making capabilities of young teens. Minors cannot enter into contracts and the like, why should they be able to procure an abortion? He speaks of the importance of communication, and encourages the council to do everything they can to support Parental Notification. [Matt]

Marie Salita talks about the the protection from abuse that the judicial bypass option provides. If abuse is brought to light in front of a judge, that revelation could be the key to her finally getting help. She reminds us that often girls have unwarranted fears about their parents' reactions. [Matt]

8:10 p.m. Karen Nickels cites studies showing the psychological harm done to teens who go through abortions. She tells us that they often become pregnant again very quickly. She also brings the physical consequences to the attention of the council. She joins the chorus of calls for the council to pass the resolution, because it is simply the rightthing. [Matt]

Gerry Nickels tries to clear up confusion on what parental notice actually is. Some have mistakenly thought that parental notice increases governmental meddling in our lives when, in fact, it will greatly reduce it. [Matt]

Whitey Peters and Linda Ellmore are missing. We hope they'll make it back in time to vote in favor of the PNR! [Matt]

Joan Solmes is up next. She cites Planned Parenthood's notorious history of racism, which can be a problem here in Aurora. She talks about the Fourth Commandment (in the Catholic numbering, "Honor your father and mother"), and gets a laugh with her remarkthat her parents pricks her conscience from beyond the grave. [Matt]

Aldermen Schuler, Garza, Kifowit and Lawrence8:20 p.m. Several more heart-felt presentations in favor or parental notice. We're at 30-1 in favor of the PNR. And now, another nurse, Jackie Hindi, shares her experience as both parent and health care provider in defense of the need for parents to be involved with children's health care. [Eric]

Whitey Peters is back. Elmore is still AWOL. Curious. She's the one I was most interested to see vote on this.

8:25 p.m. Maria Salinas gets up to speak, but before she begins the Mayor informs us they'll be a recess after her. Maria jokes that the description of teenagers sounds a little like she is now, in her thirties. She reports on some calls she made today to some businesses in Aurora. She learned she couldn't bring her niece to get her ears pierced, but she could bring her for an abortion.

And now a recess.

RecessAt this point my broadband card quit working. I continued to take notes on the Council meeting offline, while working to restore my connection. Now it's back. Here are my notes, as I resume live commentary.

8:45 p.m. We return from the recess and Alderman Beykirch comments that it might be good for the public to decline offering further comment and go ahead and let the Council vote before they lose a quorum. The public applaud. But Mayor Weisner gives the two speakers who have already been called a chance to speak first.

Terry Hunt (running for State Rep. in the 50th District) offers to decline his three minutes if it would cause any Alderman to leave—laughs. Then Elizabeth Carlos talks about getting pregnant before her marriage. She and her boyfriend (now her husband) dreaded telling their parents and even considered going to Planned Parenthood. But they found the courage to turn to their parents and found the support they needed to choose life.

Now the mayor asks the public if they are willing to forego further comment and allow the Council to take a vote.

8:50 p.m. Now Alderman Lawrence proposes an amendment to ask the State to revise the current (though unenforced law) to include any and all medical procedures. The people applaud, but no alderman seconds, so the amendment does not move forward.

Now Bob O’Connor tells us that of all the contentious issues he’s seen over the years, this is the record breaker. He reviews some of the comments the Council has heard over the weeks. He says that he has gone through more agony over this than any issue before Council before.

Mayor WeisnerBut now O’Connor tells us that he has an amendment for the resolution to make the language more precise as to what the Council can actually accomplish.

8:55 p.m. O’Connor continues, saying he’s worried if this vote would be considered a litmus test; perhaps tomorrow the Council should address the War on Iraq, immigration, etc.

And now he talks about what it really means to be a Contrarian, which in the past was his role on the Council, a role now assumed by others (he means Lawrence, of course).

The gist of O’Connor’s remarks—the subtext—is that other issues deserve the kind of attention we’ve paid to this issue.

9:00 p.m. O’Connor reads in his amended language, urging the Attorney General, the General Assembly and the courts to work aggressively to take the necessary steps to get parental notification enforced.

Now Alderman Richard Irvin responds to O’Connor’s proposed language, countering that we can demand of the legislature to do what’s right. However, he seems willing to go along with Alderman O’Connor’s revisions.

9:05 p.m. But now Irvin continues and is saying he won’t support the amendment. I’m not sure where he was going before.

Alderman LawrenceAnd now Lawrence pipes in. His mic, which wasn’t working before, now works. “I though I wore it out,” he says, and we laugh. Lawrence agrees with Irvin that we can demand that the legislature act.

And then the Mayor pipes in to support O’Connor’s resolution as employing language that would be more palatable to a federal judge, which is where this thing is stalled. Now they vote on the amendment.

All vote in favor except Irvin and Beykirch. The Council now moves on to the resolution itself.

9:10 p.m. Now Beykirch speaks at some length about his support for this resolution, his appreciation for O'Connor's intentions despite voting against his amendment, and his gratification that the people have spoken so eloquently on this. He notes that tonight's remarks were more pointed and eloquent than in the previous six meetings, which I think is true too.

9:15 p.m. Lawrence speaks. He thanks Irvin and Beykirch for working with him on this. He says that the State ought to be protecting kids from organizations like Planned Parenthood that will market to kids and discourage them from talking to their parents. But if the State of Illinois won't, then the City has to act. He's preparing the way for the the Parental Notice Ordinance that's coming down the line.

Lawrence ends by saying that though the disagree, rightly, on many things, he and his fellow Aldermen should be able to agree that the parent child relationship is

9:20 p.m. Alderman Kifowit now says that all these hours of hearing public comment have been very illuminating for her. She's commenting on how the resolution has changed since being initially presented to the Government Operations Committee. Kifowit is defending the G.O. Committee's holding back on the resolution initially, since it led to a better resolution.

Applause9:25 p.m. The vote: 11 yes, zero no. Elmore absent (can this be coincidence?).

Now Roger Earl is telling the Council about his experience with the police on November 17, when he was out at Planned Parenthood, strolling up and down Oakhurst with his baby and praying while his wife, Elizabeth, was counseling at the facility. The police, as reported here on this blog and in the press, ordered Roger to vacate to the other side of the road or be arrested.

At thirty seconds to go, Weingartz interrupts him. Roger says it might take more time than that, please bear with him. Then the Mayor says, "You're no better or worse than anyone else, you have thirty seconds." Roger continues.

Roger speaksLet me say for the record that in fact, Roger Earl is better than darn near anyone I know. I wish the Mayor would have had the courage to hear him out here in the Council. Something tells me his story will get a full hearing one day, and justice will be done.

9:30 p.m. Council adjourns.

What's next for parental notification?

Now that Aurora has taken the lead in calling on state officials to take all necessary steps to make parental notification a reality in Illinois, it's time for other cities and towns to to likewise.

I encourage all Aurora residents to call and e-mail your aldermen to thank them for passing the resolution—all except Elmore, that is, who left the meeting when the resolution came up; her constituents might ask her where she was. Contact information is available here.

If you're not an Aurora resident, call your mayor and alderman and ask them to follow Aurora's lead in passing a resolution like this. We need cities and towns all over the state to take this action so that our children will finally be protected by the 1995 Parental Notification Act.

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62 Responses to “Aldermania VII: Parental Notice Resolution”

  1. Roger says:

    Don't wait for the live-blogging. Show up to the action in person!

    God Bless,
    Roger

    November 27th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
  2. Mike says:

    VIDEO: 4D Ultrasound

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1uKCchuIjM

    Mike

    November 27th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
  3. Mary says:

    Eric,
    Since this an agenda item, will the speakers be answered directly at the moment if a question is posed to the council? (of course the rules will probably change as they go…..)

    November 27th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
  4. Mary Lu says:

    My husband will be there to speak. If he is not, then they won't let him in for being a few minutes late. Could you see to it that he gets in?

    November 27th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
  5. Felipe says:

    I am at work and couldn't make tonights meeting but I have the blog up and I am praying for all our speakers in this mission of life.

    November 27th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
  6. Mary Lu says:

    Could someone take a photo of the council sitting up there. I am trying to pray while you are there and am having trouble focusing. Maybe if I saw them up there in a photo it would help.

    November 27th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
  7. Brian says:

    I wish I was there. I'm caring for my son. I would have loved to hear Laeticia Benberry speak. She was our instructor at Mercy Center for prepared childbirth. She is a wonderful woman (Herschel Benberry was my drivers' ed instructor at West. A great guy as well).

    November 27th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
  8. Ian says:

    God bless all of you there! Do not worry about what you have to say as the Holy Spirit will give you everything you need.

    Godspeed

    November 27th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
  9. Tara says:

    Eric,

    What is your sense of how the Council is reacting to the Public Comments? Can you glean anything?

    November 27th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
  10. Mary Lu says:

    Thank you, Jesus for suplying an abundance of the holy Spirit into the speakers and council tonight. We beg of you to continue to shower your Spirit on the judges and council and all of us.

    Thank you to all of you who never give up and for this unique opportinity to "be there", Eric.

    November 27th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
  11. Drake says:

    Roger's comments will get the airing they deserve. If he needs to get bailed out of jail, he has my number. Elizabeth can call my wife and I'll be at the station in 10 minutes. I've said it before, this is a fight worth picking. The police are overstepping, our city's legal eagle is, well in the spirit of no "personal attacks" let's just say she's more of a pigeon than an eagle, whose grasp of the law is tenuous at best. PP and their enablers (read: Pontius Weisner, et al) created this controversy and now attempt to subvert our Constitutional Rights.

    November 27th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
  12. Jason H says:

    I wasn't able to make it tonight, but the mayor's closing volley Eric reported is pretty disturbing. As the primary representative of this city can he not find anything more gentle to say than "You're no better or worse than anyone else?" What happened to the compassionate mayor who spoke at length about his family and Peace Corp service not too many city councils ago? Which Weisner will show up in March of '09?

    November 27th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
  13. L.K. says:

    "9:25 p.m. The vote: 11 yes, zero no. Elmore absent (can this be coincidence?)."

    OK…I don't see any sense of emotion here…was the resolution passed? Is what happened a good thing…HELP! I'm confused!

    November 27th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
  14. Ian says:

    Amen – The Truth sets all free!

    All praise and thanksgiving be to Jesus Christ, ord of all!

    Thank you Blessed Mother for your intercession of everyone's prayers.

    Thank you St. Joseph, St. Michael, St. Anthony, St. Pio, St. Faustina, and all the Saints!

    November 27th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
  15. Roger says:

    The parental notice resolution WAS passed. The wording was slightly changed from the original to only cover abortion, as the 1995 law does.

    God Bless,
    Roger

    November 27th, 2007 at 11:28 pm
  16. Carmen says:

    Since this religious crowd has such loving Christian relationships with their kids, why are they so afraid that their daughters are getting pregnant, not telling them and having abortions?

    Normal parents will be taking them for birth control and avoiding abortion all together. Is it the kids that sign abstinence pledges and have parents that judge them based on Christian principles that have to hide their deeds?

    November 27th, 2007 at 11:41 pm
  17. Jerry Nickels says:

    To L. K.,post 13. Even though the reporting at the end of an arduous and emotionally draining meeting did not account for the evident display of emotion I assure you it was present. With the standing ovation given to the council as they voted 11-0, there were a lot of happy faces and a great amount of relief that the right thing happened.

    November 27th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
  18. Michelle M. says:

    City Council received a standing ovation for their unanimous vote, although the resolution passed was to, "strongly urge" the judicial system to move along the PNR that was passed, but is being held up in the appellate court.
    It is a step towards success, and hopefully Naperville city council will follow suit by passing a referendum as well.

    November 27th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
  19. L.K. says:

    I was just surprised that neither Eric or Matt expressed any type of emotion on the "live blogging" on this, so I was a bit confused…It just seemed to me like it was "no big deal", only giving one sentence on it..but Roger's ordeal was given the emotion and final three paragraphs, followed by, "Council adjourns." I thought I missed something, but obviously it was the standing ovation!!!
    My bad!

    November 27th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
  20. Paul2 says:

    I was there. I old them that enforcement of the Parental Notification Act of 1995 would help bring sexual predators to justice and off the street so they won't be repeat offenders. As it stands now they get a free pass at PP.

    Also asked them how can they not understand the precarious position I am currently put in as a father of six in Illinois. How if my daughters body was ever exposed to that type of mutilation and my gradchild was torn from her womb and killed that my blood would boil. And as our elected officials it is their duty to put laws in place so people like me are not left by themselves to try and stop something so grievous from happening to my family.

    November 27th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
  21. Elizabeth C. says:

    First of all – a great thank you to the City Council for passing the Parental Notice Resolution tonight. Also, thank you to all the wonderful and eloquent speakers. I had a great deal of information to discuss, but being the last one to speak felt not only very nervous, but also did not want to repeat what others have already said so well.

    Although, my personal story stuck out most among all the things I have said and has been noted on the blog, I have also made some remarks to the City Mayor and Aldermen – namely that they should not add insult to injury by not voting for this Parental Notice Resolution and that we still have hope that they have good intentions and can act with courage and justice to at least protect the rights of the parents in light of the fact that childrens rights (and I mean the unborn here) are already at stake in our country. I have also reminded all listeners present that the City, State and all of the Country is watching Aurora right now and the City's decisions because of the wide publicity already given to Aurora in light of the events pertaining to Planned Parenthood having opened there. I also made a response to Bonnie Grabenhofer's (whose name means 'graveyard') comment about how the AMA (American Medical Association) and the AAP (American Association of Pediatrics) have the children's best interests in mind and how they would not support a parental notice … – I said that curiously those two Associations are on a list of financial supporters of Planned Parenthood. – No wonder she was mentioning them – Planned Parenthood has them in their pocket (pun intended)!
    I hope that my personal story of fear – even at age 25 – of about to get married and becoming pregnant and being able to share that fear with our parents would speak to parents who may not realize how great of a fear a minor child has to feel when that child finds out she is pregnant and may view herself a complete failure in the eyes of their parents and God! Thanks be to God for giving us couragous and understanding parents who continue to teach us, guide us and forgive our failings. We should not take those rights away from our parents. Jesus, I trust in your mercy.
    May God bless you all.

    November 27th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
  22. Elizabeth C. says:

    I have to respond to Carmen here briefly – A lot of times the influence of the secular society/ media / radio shows / and education in school (which is often biased against chastity and heterosexual unions as well as the importance of a family as a foundation of a healthy society) children often can be misguided as they receive conflicting messages from those sources and do not always follow their parents' advice – they would rather go with "the flow" of the rest of the society. But as you see, they are very misguided and misinformend and Planned Parenthood not only makes sure of that but at the same time benefits financially because of that. Sad to say, many kids make mistakes. But even at that point, they should be able to discuss that with their parents first, before they make worse choices that cannot be undone and have severly harmful effects on all the people involved. Hate the sin, not the sinner .. and he who is without sin should cast the first stone. We need to keep that in mind. I would also like to recommend more research on the Post-Abortion Syndrome which is now being more intensively researched and studied. This week, there will be a conference led by the founder of Project Rachel (which helps post-abortive parents and grandparents cope and heal) in San Francisco on the effects abortion has on men. They're usually left out of the equation.
    Hope you find some time to check out that info online.

    November 28th, 2007 at 12:13 am
  23. Elizabeth says:

    Carmen,

    My parents never took me for birth control and they were pretty normal. They just taught me morals and values, and kept me busy so I never had time to get myself in a precarious situation. THAT'S how parents should be. Not just saying "Oh you're going to do it anyway, so here let me help." Try giving the kids some direction about the right choices instead of telling them "Here's a gun AND your bulletproof vest to protect you..Play safely." Come on..it's not judgement by the parents..it's direction. You seem to have the two mixed up.

    November 28th, 2007 at 12:14 am
  24. Paul2 says:

    Blessed be God in hisangels and saints. And blessed be God in his stalwart warrior Bruce Sutcliffe.

    November 28th, 2007 at 12:15 am
  25. Fortherecord says:

    E C said:
    "I also made a response to Bonnie Grabenhofer's (whose name means 'graveyard') comment about how the AMA (American Medical Association) and the AAP (American Association of Pediatrics) have the children's best interests in mind and how they would not support a parental notice … – I said that curiously those two Associations are on a list of financial supporters of Planned Parenthood. – No wonder she was mentioning"

    FYI: The AMA, AAP, and the AAOb/Gyne all contribute to PP AND to the Republican party!!!!! They have both/all sides covered. So is it any wonder that they have stayed silent in all this?

    Any MD's out there care to comment as to why you are so against life? So silent? So full of duplicity?

    …hypocrites who take the Hypocratic oath…

    Don't hold your breath, folks. Bet you won't hear from a one…

    November 28th, 2007 at 12:17 am
  26. Paul2 says:

    Fortherecord,
    It is not right to blast all doctors just cause some political organization that supposedly represents them plays both sides of the field. The doctor who delivered me was a great man. In fact my parents named me after him :)

    November 28th, 2007 at 12:33 am
  27. Paul2 says:

    Thanks for your post Elizabeth C. I had left at 8:30 so I missed your speech :)

    November 28th, 2007 at 12:36 am
  28. Margaret says:

    Thank you so much to those of you who went to the meeting. Please be assured of our deepest gratitude and our constant prayers. Our family's holy hour was offered up for you and your success. (We also include your families in our prayers as they all make the sacrifice with you). Eric and Matt, your blogging is great. It actually encourages me to continue to become more involved because I am informed and becoming familiar with the process and not feel so intimidated due to my ignorance of the political process. This information is invaluable. You and all those who come to the meetings and speak are helping to educate my family and I on the issues as well as the process. I can't thank you enough. God Bless ALL of you, as He already has and continues to do so. All our Love and Prayers.

    November 28th, 2007 at 7:55 am
  29. Elizabeth C. says:

    Paul2 – Yes, I saw you there and heard your speech – it was very emotional. I appreciate you coming all this way to the meeting last night. God bless you.

    November 28th, 2007 at 9:04 am
  30. fortherecord says:

    Paul2 says:
    It is not right to blast all doctors just cause some political organization that supposedly represents them plays both sides of the field. The doctor who delivered me was a great man. In fact my parents named me after him

    Well Paul, then why do ALL doctors belong to the AMA and pay dues to that political organization to become a member, the organization that contributed to PP.

    And why haven't individual doctors spoken out against PP?
    I have seen one doctor out there at our rallies. Yet if he does not approach HIS professional organization about the PP contibutions then he is a hypocrite.

    November 28th, 2007 at 9:53 am
  31. Mary Lu says:

    I was wondering, as an Illinois Senator, why can't Chris Lauzen push this Parental Notification in Springfield? He has the ability and responsibility as a pro-life representaitve as a Senator to bring it up. In fact, why hasn't he done it so far? If he is pro-life? What has he done about this to date?
    Anyone know?

    November 28th, 2007 at 9:58 am
  32. Kathi says:

    Elizabeth C.

    I wish I could have heard your speech from start to finish, all of it, not just the shortened version that you gave at the City Council Meeting. I was thinking, Wow! she has something to say. I think many of us growing up in the time we grew up have similar stories or know people close to us with thoes same stories. Thanks for sharing some really personal stuff. I also love your research!

    Bonnie Grabenhofer's (whose name means 'graveyard') comment about how the AMA (American Medical Association) and the AAP (American Association of Pediatrics) have the children's best interests in mind and how they would not support a parental notice … – I said that curiously those two Associations are on a list of financial supporters of Planned Parenthood. – No wonder she was mentioning them – Elizabeth C.

    November 28th, 2007 at 10:04 am
  33. Brian says:

    Mary Lu,

    The state already has a parental notification law. The problem is that the judicial bypass part of it has not been resolved by the courts (12 years later and it's not done). It's really about enforcing an existing law rather than the need for a new one.

    November 28th, 2007 at 10:09 am
  34. Tara says:

    Brain,

    Good point. We need to enforce what we already have, but I'm with Ald. Lawrence, if the state won't do it, then we need to at the local level.

    What surprised me is that excpet for Bonnie, no one was there to support PP. Maybe they thought it would never pass. I also think we need to call Elmore and ask her why she wasn't there for the vote? We need to hold evey alderman and the mayor's feet to the fire on this issue.

    November 28th, 2007 at 10:19 am
  35. Laura says:

    Paul2,
    You're speech was great!!! How awesome it was to have a father driving all the way out to Aurora to speak up for not only his precious daughters, but all of the precious daughters in Illinois! Paul, your speech was very moving and hit home, I'm sure, with any father who loves his daughter(s). God bless you always!!!

    November 28th, 2007 at 10:22 am
  36. Becca says:

    I was at the meeting last night in fact Ive attended every city council meeting on this issue. Last night was a victory!!!! And as I thought about some of the comments the alderman made last night I was really impressed. They worked on this resolution until it was right!! I want to publically thank the city council for listening to the majority who ask them to protect our kids from pp. This is a good thing and a step in the right direction. Lets pray all day for the meeting tonight!!

    November 28th, 2007 at 10:35 am
  37. Mike B. says:

    Mary Lu,
    In addition to Brian's response, be assured that Chris Lauzen is 100% Pro-life and has worked continuously while in the Senate for Pro-life issues. Chris is indeed a friend of Pro-lifers who not only talks the talk but walks the walk. Here is a statement from Chris:

    I am pro-life because abortion hurts women physically and psychologically, and it destroys an innocent human being.

    Respect for innocent life is practical self-defense. If the powerful in any society can decide that others can be destroyed, whether they are unborn, sick, old, disabled, or even inconvenient, it can be a matter of time before every human being is at risk.

    It is an unfortunate fact of my political career that my house has been egged, my tires slashed on the Capitol driveway after the Parental Notification debate (reported in the Chicago Tribune), insults shouted at my wife, Sarah, during a parade in my hometown of Aurora, Illinois, and spit across the windshield of my car after an election forum so thickthat I thought it had rained while we had been inside… all over the issue of abortion.

    My reaction to this experience is to recognize and understand the deep emotion surrounding this important issue. Violence is wrong whether it is in favor of or opposition to abortion, and I have tried to find common ground. For example, I successfully sponsored the Ban on Partial Birth Abortion in the Illinois Senate in 1997. Congressman Peter Roskam sponsored it in the House of Representatives when he served in Springfield. And, pro-choice Governor Edgar signed it into law. Unfortunately, it was effectively struck down by the U.S. Supreme court in 2000 when the Nebraska ban was nullified. For an unborn human being to come within six inches of being born, only to have scissors shoved into the base of his or her skull, the baby's brains sucked out, and then the body discarded is a brutal and barbaric act that cannot be a stain on our nation's conscience. Doctors consistently testified in committees in both the Illinois Senate and House that it is never in the best interests of a woman's health to perform such a dangerous procedure.

    I am in favor of Parental Notification and currently sponsor legislation that would require abortion clinics to have at least the same regulatory standards as ambulatory out-patient procedure centers.

    November 28th, 2007 at 11:14 am
  38. Mary Lu says:

    About Chris Lauzen,
    I am not sure you understnd. I know that the PN law is NOT in effect because Lisa Madigan has asked the judges to "make sure" that they are "ready for it" so I am told. Chris Lauzen can make the move to put it in effect and should do that.
    Also, please do not quote to me his stand on the pro-life issues. You don't see the whole picture beyond birth He is not telling you everything. Ask him about why the doctors referred to above don't speak out. I have plenty to say about that.

    November 28th, 2007 at 11:23 am
  39. Paul2 says:

    Fortherecord,
    Why do "all" doctors pay dues into the AMA? Is it a status thing? Is it just so they put AMA next to their name. When I visited the AMA web site they look like a self-proclaimed "ethical" board whose vision is simply to infuence as many doctors as possible. Any doctor should be ashamed by the AMA stance of "having no stance" on killing children. They appear to me to be on about the same page as the Democratic party.

    November 28th, 2007 at 11:42 am
  40. Paul2 says:

    Fortherecord,
    Why do "all" doctors pay dues into the AMA? Is it a status thing? Is it just so they put AMA next to their name. When I visited the AMA web site they look like a self-proclaimed "ethical" board whose vision is simply to infuence as many doctors as possible. Any doctor should be ashamed by the AMA stance of "having no stance" on killing children. They appear to me to be on about the same page as the Democratic party. You make a good point that the AMA seems to have no real scruples and sucks up to any organization that they can gain influence over.

    November 28th, 2007 at 11:44 am
  41. Fortherecord says:

    "Paul 2 says:
    They (AMA)appear to me to be on about the same page as the Democratic party."

    Its no illusion. Yet they are a big contributor to the REPUBLICAN party too. Tht is why I said they have all the angles covered. And why they will never speak up openly. Did you ever check out the pro-life physican website? There are only TWO listed from Illinois. All other states are equally sparce. There are more but the site claims,i think, that doctors are afraid to list themselves. I say "walk the talk". Gotta wonder if the AMA has so much influence that they fear retribution from it. Shameful.

    November 28th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
  42. Greg Guest says:

    I do believe after the overwhelming vote for the Resolution we should also encourage all our legistlators to band together (democrat and republican) to send a strong message to Lisa Madigan to push this through the courts. After all it was her twist on the injunction appointing an outside party to see that the courts were ready. Our elected officials can't make it happen, but through investigation and public record they can bring this issue to the public light. Prolife or not, all the local state reps claim to be pro-family. There's nothing stopping them from voicing their opinion to Lisa Madigan. The least she could do is modify her request to lift the injunction to make the request simpler.

    November 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
  43. Elizabeth C. says:

    I second Greg Guest – any suggestions on how we will go about this? Do we want to do this individually, by each of us contacting our reps or maybe do an organized petition …?

    November 28th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
  44. Paul says:

    Here are two pro-life societies of Physicians:

    American Association of Pro Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists or AAPLOG

    and

    Pro-Life Maternal-Fetal Medicine (a Special Focus Group of the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine)

    November 28th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
  45. Jane Celeste says:

    To fortherecord:

    My husband is a practicing physician here in Aurora and a stellar advocate for the unborn! Be assured that he is talking among his physician peers and they overwhelmingly support LIFE! We have pro-life voices in every corner and in every profession….have Faith!

    God Bless,

    Jane

    November 28th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
  46. Fortherecord says:

    Paul,
    Good to see more than just a few names listed. When I looked a while ago I did not see these sites. The one I saw:
    http://www.physiciansforlife.org
    This has a short list and no one from Illinois.

    Jane,
    Relieved to hear that your husband defends life. My point is, why hasn't the physician community came out speaking against PP to the public not just amongst themselves? And why do they support their professional organization when that organization contributes to PP? In adition to helping pay to fight for pro-physician legislation and causes, their dues are used to contibute to PP. So, indirectly yet notable, physicians who are members of AMA and their subspecialty organizations as well, are contibuting towards PP.
    I am sure there are other professional organizations that also contibute? I call them out also just that AMA was mentioned.

    November 28th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
  47. JOHN A. says:

    The ongoing back and forth between Fortherecord and Paul2 about the AMA and its members is interesting,and reminds me of the Goliath unions who take the members' dues and many times spend it to support organizations with very liberal agendas. From what I understand, the AMA is doing precisely the same thing. In both cases, the members are helpless simply because the heads of these groups who make the decisions are not answerable to their members.

    The only solution is simply to form a separate organization that represents the wishes of all the members, not just a few, calling it maybe "Physicians for Life", or PFL, in order to slay the Goliath. It would take a lot of work and advise from many sources, but would be interesting to hear from others whether this has ever been tried, and, if so, what the outcome was.

    November 28th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
  48. Paul says:

    Please Note: Paul and Paul2 are not the same person.

    Regarding the American Medical Association (AMA) and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG):

    It is a tragedy that these professional organizations of physicians have taken official positions in favor of elective abortion. In spite of that fact, there are many good physicians who are members of their respective professional associations and colleges, who do not agree with the official positions of their organizations in regards to abortion, euthanasia, physician-assisted suicide and embryonic stem-cell research, etc.

    It is also a tragedy that the United States of America, which has clearly stated within its founding documents the God-given "right to life", has also allowed for over 34 years the unrestricted murder of unborn babies.

    It is also a tragedy that $300 million dollars of our federal tax dollars are given to Planned Parenthood, an organization which killed over 260,000 babies in 2006.

    November 28th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
  49. Drake says:

    Anyone else notice that the Beacon opted to frame the story today by starting their report with these words: "The controversial parental notification passed unanimously…"

    By the Beacon's own reporting, all the speakers addressing the council except for one spoke passionately in favor of the resolution. It passed unanimously. But it's still somehow controversial.

    In an unrelated development, scientists published controversial findings today that supported the idea that the sky is blue and, compounding the controversy, declared that birds fly south for the winter.

    Whaddayaknow

    November 28th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
  50. Carmen says:

    Good luck getting information out of a doctor's office. Medical records fall under the Constitutional Right to Privacy and a Federal Law called HIPPA. If your kid doesn't tell you that they have sought reproductive medical treatment then there is nothing to enforce.

    No one needs to verify birth date or show a drivers license to get medical treatment. In fact the Hipocratic Oath forbids it. The government cannot go in and look over medical records. Kansas tried to get access to medical records and lost in the courts.

    I guess the constitution will need to be changed to limit privacy. Maybe they can add spying on medical records to the Patriot Act.

    November 28th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
  51. Paul2 says:

    Drake,
    That is controversial becuse I was saw a bird flying north in the winter.

    Carmen,
    It doesn't take luck to stop you or an abortionist from harming children. You are losing every battle because people are being educated to the reality of what abortion is. Sorry if you are in denial.

    November 28th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
  52. Elizabeth C. says:

    Hello again – I really enjoy reading the blog comments – you guys are great! Even make me smile sometimes … despite this horrific topic – A B O R T I O N.
    We have HOPE in our Lord, Who destroyed the power of death, and therefore the power of abortion.

    I wanted to recommend to you this website:
    http://www.afterabortion.org/ – has a lot of good info.

    Here's another one – http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/

    They both target post-abortive women and men who seek healing. May God bless you and – to Jesus through Mary!

    November 29th, 2007 at 12:07 am
  53. Mary Lu says:

    On the Privacy Information Act: Who hasn't had to sign that paper at the doctor office. But have you really read it? I mean READ the whole thing word for word?

    The patient is not the one with the privacy coverage. It is the RECORD! That is the property if the clinic! Your information is not private! The office could do what they want with it, not that they would say so.
    They were not admissible in court for THAT case becasue it would break the privacy of the CLINIC–protecing THEM. READ it. It is not there to protect you.

    We specifically asked an a clinic that question once. They hesistantly admitted it–it IS for their protection not the patient's. I highly recommend obtaining a copy of your medical record prior to anything ever happening–just to study the jargon and understand.

    November 29th, 2007 at 12:17 am
  54. Mary Lu says:

    And actually the birds over my house were circling–don't know if they were loooking for carnage or sensing the total chaotic-ness of my household (!?)

    November 29th, 2007 at 12:20 am
  55. Paul2 says:

    Mary Lu,
    Did not know that the privacy sheet was for their protection. I never did take the time to read it cause I thought it was part of our HIPPA protections I was signing. And the circling birds must have figured there are enough medical papers lying around your house to build a nice warm nest for the winter.

    November 29th, 2007 at 1:04 am
  56. Mary Lu says:

    Let me clerify:
    The "privacy sheet" IS the HIPPA protection you sign.

    The HIPPA protection is not OURS its THEIRS.

    The "nest" you mention is MY FAMILY'S protection. I have plenty of trees and yard junk for the birds' (and squirrel)nests. Kinda the environmentalist in me.

    November 29th, 2007 at 9:26 am
  57. Paul2 says:

    I have a couple nice compost piles for the rabbits etc…

    November 29th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
  58. Net says:

    The live blogging is great Eric … I was following it for quite a while … it's actually addictive but in a good way. We had you linked up from our site … I hope some folks came over. Did any of you watch the Republican Debates yesterday? We're really pulling for "pro-life" Huck over at Fighting Irish Thomas. I've got a link under my name if you're interested in reading more about it. God Bless America … please save our babies and our mothers!

    November 29th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
  59. Roger says:

    Senator Chris Lauzen had an interesting perspective in today's Beacon. It highlights some of what the issues are and how Senator Lauzen has helped our cause.

    Here's a link to it: State ignoring existing laws

    God Bless,
    Roger

    December 2nd, 2007 at 9:28 pm
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