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]]> By: Laura http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/city-council/#comment-2840 Laura Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:47:39 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/pro-lifers%e2%80%99-first-amendment-rights-%e2%80%93-new-city-council-videos/#comment-2840 Post #13, Paul2, Excellent post and sentiments! Post #13, Paul2,
Excellent post and sentiments!

]]> By: Sally http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/city-council/#comment-2817 Sally Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:17:26 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/pro-lifers%e2%80%99-first-amendment-rights-%e2%80%93-new-city-council-videos/#comment-2817 I was at the rally and I found the police presence way beyond the scope of the rally and the peaceful nature of the participants. It was interesting to me to see an officer parked in his car on the opposite side of New York (from the sidewalk of the protest) get out of his car and walk along the edge of the road by other protesters holding large signs of healthy babies, engage them in conversation then cross the street, stand on one end of our picket line, then walk along the edge of the picket line nearly tripping over our memorial crosses, then stand at the other end of the picket line, then stand on a knoll overlooking the picket line and then cross half way across New York and stand in the median! Of course, all the while, the picketers were being videotaped by a policeman in another squad car parked on Oakhurst. Be aware. The police are acting in this manner only to be intrusive and disrupt our peaceful protest There was no activity that was not lawful and peaceful happening. I sure hope those officers weren't praying while they were working...oh that's right they can pray on the job or anywhere. I was at the rally and I found the police presence way beyond the scope of the rally and the peaceful nature of the participants. It was interesting to me to see an officer parked in his car on the opposite side of New York (from the sidewalk of the protest) get out of his car and walk along the edge of the road by other protesters holding large signs of healthy babies, engage them in conversation then cross the street, stand on one end of our picket line, then walk along the edge of the picket line nearly tripping over our memorial crosses, then stand at the other end of the picket line, then stand on a knoll overlooking the picket line and then cross half way across New York and stand in the median! Of course, all the while, the picketers were being videotaped by a policeman in another squad car parked on Oakhurst. Be aware. The police are acting in this manner only to be intrusive and disrupt our peaceful protest There was no activity that was not lawful and peaceful happening. I sure hope those officers weren't praying while they were working…oh that's right they can pray on the job or anywhere.

]]> By: Paul2 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/city-council/#comment-2815 Paul2 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:06:35 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/pro-lifers%e2%80%99-first-amendment-rights-%e2%80%93-new-city-council-videos/#comment-2815 I also thought the paddy wagon and the close presence was an attempt at intimidation and not protection. I was actually enjoying the rally itself very much. I was singing Christmas carols and the Our Father interspersed with some verses I sang particularly for officer Powell trying to break down the barriers a little. It went something like this. We aren't here to break the law, We are here for a righteous cause. Have you heard the women and the children howl? Come join our picket to protect them Chief Powell. He could only smile....... He definitely has the "break the law and we'll arrest you complex to the extreme. But personal interaction is the best way to break down the barriers. I know I for one will never back away from my rights cause I am afraid of being arrested for anything that was not illegal. I think eventually these behaviours will graduate our way if we just put our trust in our God to grace us with His Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ. I also thought the paddy wagon and the close presence was an attempt at intimidation and not protection. I was actually enjoying the rally itself very much. I was singing Christmas carols and the Our Father interspersed with some verses I sang particularly for officer Powell trying to break down the barriers a little. It went something like this.

We aren't here to break the law,
We are here for a righteous cause.
Have you heard the women and the children howl?
Come join our picket to protect them Chief Powell.

He could only smile…….
He definitely has the "break the law and we'll arrest you complex to the extreme. But personal interaction is the best way to break down the barriers. I know I for one will never back away from my rights cause I am afraid of being arrested for anything that was not illegal. I think eventually these behaviours will graduate our way if we just put our trust in our God to grace us with His Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ.

]]> By: Charles http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/city-council/#comment-2811 Charles Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:21:47 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/pro-lifers%e2%80%99-first-amendment-rights-%e2%80%93-new-city-council-videos/#comment-2811 Here's the link. <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-protest_18_bothnov18,1,5628357.story" rel="nofollow">Aurora police, activists at odds over clinic protests</a> Here's the link.

Aurora police, activists at odds over clinic protests

]]> By: Charles http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/city-council/#comment-2810 Charles Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:21:09 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/pro-lifers%e2%80%99-first-amendment-rights-%e2%80%93-new-city-council-videos/#comment-2810 The <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-protest_18_bothnov18,1,5628357.story" rel="nofollow">Chicago Tribune is reporting</a> that when Powell was asked about the Roger Earl situation, he responded with, “If he's praying here, he's here because of the building. He can pray at home or anywhere” I find this comment very interesting. First, someone should inform Powell that “anywhere” is inclusive of that sidewalk across the street from the clinic. Second, perhaps the City’s Corporate Counsel should let Powell know about the 14th amendment; and in particular, the equal protection clause. With the Police spokesman Dan Ferrelli standing by, it’s amazing to me how he could make this statement. The Chicago Tribune is reporting that when Powell was asked about the Roger Earl situation, he responded with, “If he's praying here, he's here because of the building. He can pray at home or anywhere”

I find this comment very interesting. First, someone should inform Powell that “anywhere” is inclusive of that sidewalk across the street from the clinic. Second, perhaps the City’s Corporate Counsel should let Powell know about the 14th amendment; and in particular, the equal protection clause.

With the Police spokesman Dan Ferrelli standing by, it’s amazing to me how he could make this statement.

]]> By: Mary http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/city-council/#comment-2807 Mary Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:46:53 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/pro-lifers%e2%80%99-first-amendment-rights-%e2%80%93-new-city-council-videos/#comment-2807 Yes the police were video taping and the van was waiting there. It was intimidating. Why else, as reported in the Beacon, a peaceful man who was walking his little baby, was questioned by the police only after he pulled out a prayer book. And asked what he was praying about. If he was praying for anything else but PP would they have left him alone? That was an invasion of privacy. And persecution outright. Also, the Chief was there standing near the PP. Don't tell me he is not taking sides. As far as almost being "run over" the car knowingly took off as they crossed the street as reported. The police were only there to intimidate. They were not there to help us. In fact, they sat and watched another older couple from our group try to make several attempts to cross the street and did nothing. Not a thing. If we asked ahead of time, would they help with the traffic? Serve and protect? Yes the police were video taping and the van was waiting there. It was intimidating. Why else, as reported in the Beacon, a peaceful man who was walking his little baby, was questioned by the police only after he pulled out a prayer book. And asked what he was praying about. If he was praying for anything else but PP would they have left him alone? That was an invasion of privacy. And persecution outright. Also, the Chief was there standing near the PP. Don't tell me he is not taking sides. As far as almost being "run over" the car knowingly took off as they crossed the street as reported. The police were only there to intimidate. They were not there to help us. In fact, they sat and watched another older couple from our group try to make several attempts to cross the street and did nothing. Not a thing. If we asked ahead of time, would they help with the traffic? Serve and protect?

]]> By: Greg Guest http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/city-council/#comment-2779 Greg Guest Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:48:27 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/pro-lifers%e2%80%99-first-amendment-rights-%e2%80%93-new-city-council-videos/#comment-2779 Actually, there were far too many officers present for a peaceful rally of 200 plus; additionally they were video taping the entire rally, and yes the "paddy wagon" was in attendance. With out being aggressive they were attempting to be intimidating. That's why the "show of force". If they were there to be cooperative they would have helped with traffic control when my family and I were almost run over. They would have sent officers elsewhere when they saw how small the rally was and they would meet with us to lay out ground rules for their expectations. I believe the APD are just following orders. It's the orders and from where they come that concerns me. Actually, there were far too many officers present for a peaceful rally of 200 plus; additionally they were video taping the entire rally, and yes the "paddy wagon" was in attendance. With out being aggressive they were attempting to be intimidating. That's why the "show of force". If they were there to be cooperative they would have helped with traffic control when my family and I were almost run over. They would have sent officers elsewhere when they saw how small the rally was and they would meet with us to lay out ground rules for their expectations. I believe the APD are just following orders. It's the orders and from where they come that concerns me.

]]> By: Erin http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/city-council/#comment-2768 Erin Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:40:17 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/pro-lifers%e2%80%99-first-amendment-rights-%e2%80%93-new-city-council-videos/#comment-2768 I'm glad to report, for those of you who could not attend today, that the police presence at the protest today was much less obtrusive. Yes, the protest was smaller (as I would expect for a monthly event), but there were no squad cars with video cameras and the police officers were across the street. As I was going to my car, I did see a police van parked in the parking lot, but at least it wasn't out there providing a threatening presence. I had to leave at 10--the toddlers were at the end of their line--so I hope it remained peaceful and respectful until the end. I rather expected to see Chief Powell there. Now that I know he wears a jogging suit and a baseball cap, I would know who he was. At the last protest, I thought he was just some guy and had no idea where his apparent authority was coming from. I'm glad to report, for those of you who could not attend today, that the police presence at the protest today was much less obtrusive. Yes, the protest was smaller (as I would expect for a monthly event), but there were no squad cars with video cameras and the police officers were across the street. As I was going to my car, I did see a police van parked in the parking lot, but at least it wasn't out there providing a threatening presence. I had to leave at 10–the toddlers were at the end of their line–so I hope it remained peaceful and respectful until the end. I rather expected to see Chief Powell there. Now that I know he wears a jogging suit and a baseball cap, I would know who he was. At the last protest, I thought he was just some guy and had no idea where his apparent authority was coming from.

]]> By: Net http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/city-council/#comment-2766 Net Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:54:08 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1116/pro-lifers%e2%80%99-first-amendment-rights-%e2%80%93-new-city-council-videos/#comment-2766 Ms. Parker, the president of CURE*, Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education, a national conservative think tank focused on breaking the cycle of poverty, has just recently endorsed Michael Huckabee for president. For those of you who do not know, "Huck" is a 100% pro-life candidate for the presidency of the United States, and I encourage you all to look at this man in regard to his stance not just on life but all of the other issues as well. (And as an aside, I'd love to put Eric's photograph in our "Cool people who 'bee' for 'Huck'" column on our site.) I'm heartily praying (and suffering - got a nasty migraine) for the rally today ... I was in attendance at all the others, but was unable to make today's. I'll certainly make the next! God help us all help the babies. Ms. Parker, the president of CURE*, Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education, a national conservative think tank focused on breaking the cycle of poverty, has just recently endorsed Michael Huckabee for president. For those of you who do not know, "Huck" is a 100% pro-life candidate for the presidency of the United States, and I encourage you all to look at this man in regard to his stance not just on life but all of the other issues as well. (And as an aside, I'd love to put Eric's photograph in our "Cool people who 'bee' for 'Huck'" column on our site.)

I'm heartily praying (and suffering - got a nasty migraine) for the rally today … I was in attendance at all the others, but was unable to make today's. I'll certainly make the next! God help us all help the babies.

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