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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-7825</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If sex as a side-effect of reproduction as car crashing is of driving, child support laws will cease. Suppose you drive carefully, but a child runs right in front of your car. He is not old enough to know better. You would not be financially liable for his/her injuries, since you exercised the duty of due care. Most of us agree with that. 
But, no such defense exists for child support (father must pay even if several types of birth control were used). 
Sex may be pleasurable and relationship bonding, but mainly to induce us to engage in the act to reproduce. Look at other animals. Most do not even have sex for pleasure. Now, we are a type of animal that looks at offspring differently and raise them in bonded relationships, so that is why sex bonds relationships. Most  acts result in conception (though this only applies to fertile days because of medical technology. The probability of conception has been estimated above 25% on the most fertile day assuming no contraceptive use), since if every sex act resulted in reproduction, it could not be used for bonding relationships to support effective reproduction. 
Therefore, pregnancy is a major purpose of sex, not just a side-effect. So, consenting to sex is consenting to pregnancy if nature asserts itself. 
The purpose of sex is not organ or blood ejection, so that is why consenting to parenthood is not implied consent to organ donation, but is implied consent to pregnancy. 
Now we must discuss breastfeeding. Up until recently, only breast milk existed. It has always been recognized that women were obligated to perform this activity for their children. 
Breastfeeding IS bodily life support. The milk is made by the woman’s body. It may be drawn from the outside, but so is bone marrow. 
Breastfeeding women must eat even more calories than pregnant ones, which shows that breastfeeding is pretty hard on the body, and can be painful. Nine months of breastfeeding is at least as burdensome as bone marrow donation (which cannot be mandated).
David Boonin inconsistently condeded the rightness of breastfeeding obligations, even admitting it was bodily life support. He claimed it was less invasive, but it is no less invasive than blood donation and not much less than bone marrow donation. 
Only acknowledging the moral relevance of the intrinsic orderedness of the woman's body (and the sex act she engaged in) towards procreation, pregnancy, and breastfeeding can allow the two to be distinguished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If sex as a side-effect of reproduction as car crashing is of driving, child support laws will cease. Suppose you drive carefully, but a child runs right in front of your car. He is not old enough to know better. You would not be financially liable for his/her injuries, since you exercised the duty of due care. Most of us agree with that.<br />
But, no such defense exists for child support (father must pay even if several types of birth control were used).<br />
Sex may be pleasurable and relationship bonding, but mainly to induce us to engage in the act to reproduce. Look at other animals. Most do not even have sex for pleasure. Now, we are a type of animal that looks at offspring differently and raise them in bonded relationships, so that is why sex bonds relationships. Most  acts result in conception (though this only applies to fertile days because of medical technology. The probability of conception has been estimated above 25% on the most fertile day assuming no contraceptive use), since if every sex act resulted in reproduction, it could not be used for bonding relationships to support effective reproduction.<br />
Therefore, pregnancy is a major purpose of sex, not just a side-effect. So, consenting to sex is consenting to pregnancy if nature asserts itself.<br />
The purpose of sex is not organ or blood ejection, so that is why consenting to parenthood is not implied consent to organ donation, but is implied consent to pregnancy.<br />
Now we must discuss breastfeeding. Up until recently, only breast milk existed. It has always been recognized that women were obligated to perform this activity for their children.<br />
Breastfeeding IS bodily life support. The milk is made by the woman’s body. It may be drawn from the outside, but so is bone marrow.<br />
Breastfeeding women must eat even more calories than pregnant ones, which shows that breastfeeding is pretty hard on the body, and can be painful. Nine months of breastfeeding is at least as burdensome as bone marrow donation (which cannot be mandated).<br />
David Boonin inconsistently condeded the rightness of breastfeeding obligations, even admitting it was bodily life support. He claimed it was less invasive, but it is no less invasive than blood donation and not much less than bone marrow donation.<br />
Only acknowledging the moral relevance of the intrinsic orderedness of the woman&#039;s body (and the sex act she engaged in) towards procreation, pregnancy, and breastfeeding can allow the two to be distinguished.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul2</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-2886</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evelyn
May God also bless you and yours this Thanksgiving!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evelyn<br />
May God also bless you and yours this Thanksgiving!</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-2863</link>
		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy....

Thanks for your last blog. I found it humbling and know there is HOPE for you and PP.  Thanks to Eric, Tara, Paul2, Bruce, Randy and everyone else who gives SO much of their time, prayers, effort, etc. for Our Lord's honor and glory.

So, so many people are out there witnessing in the name of Jesus, to those who are lost. God is in control and ultimately, He WILL get his way.  

God bless you all and have a wonderful Thanksgiving with family and friends, remembering and praising our Lord for everything.  And remember to pray for the ZBA and your designated person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy&#8230;.</p>
<p>Thanks for your last blog. I found it humbling and know there is HOPE for you and PP.  Thanks to Eric, Tara, Paul2, Bruce, Randy and everyone else who gives SO much of their time, prayers, effort, etc. for Our Lord&#039;s honor and glory.</p>
<p>So, so many people are out there witnessing in the name of Jesus, to those who are lost. God is in control and ultimately, He WILL get his way.  </p>
<p>God bless you all and have a wonderful Thanksgiving with family and friends, remembering and praising our Lord for everything.  And remember to pray for the ZBA and your designated person.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-2856</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy,

I appreciate your comments.  I'm glad that you see we are willing to discuss.  You might find that most won't debate, but you will find many would like to have a conversation.

We know that God condems the taking of innocent life.  We also know that Jesus came to heal the broken hearted, the sick, the lost.  He died so that we might have life.  I stand up for all life from fertilization to natural death.  All life is percious to God.  He knew me before my parents ever thought about me.  He created me, and has a purpose for me.  I stand up because Jesus could have come as a 30 year old man, but he didn't.  He came into this world the way we all do, as a zygote, embryo, fetus, and through being born.  It is this process that makes us human.  Jesus was my Savior before he was conceived, while he was in-utero, at birth, as he was crucified, died, buried, resurrected and accended.  Life is so percious, and once you've destroyed and killed a preborn you can't go back a fix it.  It's final.  No girl/woman should ever feel that is her only option.  

As for speaking for the community, the majority of Aurora is very upset about PP, as are many in surrounding communities.  We would be the first to acknowledge that not everyone agrees with us, but we have had plenty of PCers who agree that PP lied and should not have been allowed to open under false pre-tenses.  PP should never have built this in a residential area.  It is hurting business in the area.  I can't tell you how many people I talked with that have stopped shopping at Dominicks.

So as for debating, we will see.  I would certainly be open to talking with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy,</p>
<p>I appreciate your comments.  I&#039;m glad that you see we are willing to discuss.  You might find that most won&#039;t debate, but you will find many would like to have a conversation.</p>
<p>We know that God condems the taking of innocent life.  We also know that Jesus came to heal the broken hearted, the sick, the lost.  He died so that we might have life.  I stand up for all life from fertilization to natural death.  All life is percious to God.  He knew me before my parents ever thought about me.  He created me, and has a purpose for me.  I stand up because Jesus could have come as a 30 year old man, but he didn&#039;t.  He came into this world the way we all do, as a zygote, embryo, fetus, and through being born.  It is this process that makes us human.  Jesus was my Savior before he was conceived, while he was in-utero, at birth, as he was crucified, died, buried, resurrected and accended.  Life is so percious, and once you&#039;ve destroyed and killed a preborn you can&#039;t go back a fix it.  It&#039;s final.  No girl/woman should ever feel that is her only option.  </p>
<p>As for speaking for the community, the majority of Aurora is very upset about PP, as are many in surrounding communities.  We would be the first to acknowledge that not everyone agrees with us, but we have had plenty of PCers who agree that PP lied and should not have been allowed to open under false pre-tenses.  PP should never have built this in a residential area.  It is hurting business in the area.  I can&#039;t tell you how many people I talked with that have stopped shopping at Dominicks.</p>
<p>So as for debating, we will see.  I would certainly be open to talking with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul2</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-2854</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy,
You deserve to leave your other posts up cause you did put a lot of time into your positions when debating Joseph on the other blog.  Just be more considerate when responding to people by listeing to what they say, and not brushing them off as if you had heard it all before and they are not worth listening to.

I look forward to your next post...I think...
You will be well served to abandon positions like people have the right to kill other human beings.  To continue to espouse such views would make you a nothing more than a self-serving cold blooded killer.   

FYI: the reason PP doesn't have open blogging is because they know they would have to argue, like you tried to, that they somehow have the right to kill other human beings.  They are no more then killers for the money.

I prefer to think that you do not actually believe you have the right to kill others, but rather you just like to try and debate from extreme and untenable positions.  

Paul2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy,<br />
You deserve to leave your other posts up cause you did put a lot of time into your positions when debating Joseph on the other blog.  Just be more considerate when responding to people by listeing to what they say, and not brushing them off as if you had heard it all before and they are not worth listening to.</p>
<p>I look forward to your next post&#8230;I think&#8230;<br />
You will be well served to abandon positions like people have the right to kill other human beings.  To continue to espouse such views would make you a nothing more than a self-serving cold blooded killer.   </p>
<p>FYI: the reason PP doesn&#039;t have open blogging is because they know they would have to argue, like you tried to, that they somehow have the right to kill other human beings.  They are no more then killers for the money.</p>
<p>I prefer to think that you do not actually believe you have the right to kill others, but rather you just like to try and debate from extreme and untenable positions.  </p>
<p>Paul2</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Kuzdas</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-2851</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Kuzdas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the manager of this blog.  Feel free to remove my previous posts.  They are rather long winded.  I will be submitting a post in the very near future which will make the same arguments, but will be much shorter and easier to read.  The price for this however is that my next post will be weak on facts and strong on assertions.  No doubt, some of you consider my posts already weak on facts.

Tara, you have labeled my posts as condenscending.  You are right, they are.  I do not apologize for that.  Conceit easily identifies its own.  Conceited as I am, at least I do not represent myself to a city counsel as speaking for the entire community.  Now there is conceit.  That said, in my first post, I labled you all as "cronies."  For that, I apologize.  You are passionate and intelligent, and march to your own banner or what you see as god's banner.

I do make one final observation with respect to Planned Parenthood and yourselves.  

I am pleasantly surprised to note that you are open to debate with the other side.  My posts are definitely the most hostile on this blog, and yet, they are still there.  That speaks to true debate.  The true spirit of the first amendment is expressed in this blog.  I have even sent emails to "National Right to Life" and to Janet Folger of "Faith to Action."  Janet has actually responded twice to my letters.

Planned Parenthood on the other hand offers no link where a person can send them an email.  I have tried.  They make it very easy to contribute money.  If you wish to speak with them on anything else however, they will not even give you the time of day (unless you are a patient).  This attitude on their part also smacks of conceit and elitism.  They think they know it all.  If you do not have a MD or ESQ after your name or an "Honorable" in front of your name, then in their eyes, your opinion is less then s#$t.  Their web page says it all.

I hope you enjoy this post Tara.  I hope that you found it a suprise coming from me.  For all of Planned Parenthood's conceipt however, I will continue to defend their actions.  Looking forward to lively debate in the future.

Respectfully,  Tommy Kuzdas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the manager of this blog.  Feel free to remove my previous posts.  They are rather long winded.  I will be submitting a post in the very near future which will make the same arguments, but will be much shorter and easier to read.  The price for this however is that my next post will be weak on facts and strong on assertions.  No doubt, some of you consider my posts already weak on facts.</p>
<p>Tara, you have labeled my posts as condenscending.  You are right, they are.  I do not apologize for that.  Conceit easily identifies its own.  Conceited as I am, at least I do not represent myself to a city counsel as speaking for the entire community.  Now there is conceit.  That said, in my first post, I labled you all as &#034;cronies.&#034;  For that, I apologize.  You are passionate and intelligent, and march to your own banner or what you see as god&#039;s banner.</p>
<p>I do make one final observation with respect to Planned Parenthood and yourselves.  </p>
<p>I am pleasantly surprised to note that you are open to debate with the other side.  My posts are definitely the most hostile on this blog, and yet, they are still there.  That speaks to true debate.  The true spirit of the first amendment is expressed in this blog.  I have even sent emails to &#034;National Right to Life&#034; and to Janet Folger of &#034;Faith to Action.&#034;  Janet has actually responded twice to my letters.</p>
<p>Planned Parenthood on the other hand offers no link where a person can send them an email.  I have tried.  They make it very easy to contribute money.  If you wish to speak with them on anything else however, they will not even give you the time of day (unless you are a patient).  This attitude on their part also smacks of conceit and elitism.  They think they know it all.  If you do not have a MD or ESQ after your name or an &#034;Honorable&#034; in front of your name, then in their eyes, your opinion is less then s#$t.  Their web page says it all.</p>
<p>I hope you enjoy this post Tara.  I hope that you found it a suprise coming from me.  For all of Planned Parenthood&#039;s conceipt however, I will continue to defend their actions.  Looking forward to lively debate in the future.</p>
<p>Respectfully,  Tommy Kuzdas</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-2842</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Laura

I agree with what you are saying. My point was about free-will, pro-choice and the way, I see, people looking at pro choice. People seem to believe whatever the choices they make are ok because of free-will and this is just not true. Life is a test, either you pass of you fail. You either believe in Our Lord and His teachings or you don't.You are either right or you are wrong. It is just that simple. People try and do make is complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Laura</p>
<p>I agree with what you are saying. My point was about free-will, pro-choice and the way, I see, people looking at pro choice. People seem to believe whatever the choices they make are ok because of free-will and this is just not true. Life is a test, either you pass of you fail. You either believe in Our Lord and His teachings or you don&#039;t.You are either right or you are wrong. It is just that simple. People try and do make is complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-2836</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Morning John,

How is are you today?  Have you read any more Calvin lately? :)  Hope all is well.

Good to see your post.  Your comment about being a 30 year burden is really a powerful one.  Being pro-life is not just about protecting unborn children, but protecting all life from fertilization to natural death. is the author and creator of life and He cherishes that life until we return home to Him.  If He didn't he wouldn't have sent His son Jesus Christ, as Savior and Redeemer of all Creation.  Life is such a precious gift and should never be taken for granted or lightly.  

Tommy's line of thought would allow for euthansia at any time that parents felt burdened.  I don't know a single parent who at some point of raising children didn't feel overwhelmed.  He sounds like Prof. Peter Singer a professor of ethics at Princeton, who believe that parents should be able to kill their handicapped children up to a month after birth. If you have not read his stuff before, it is quite scary.  This reasoning leads to dangerous slopes, which once gone down is very difficult to go back up.

Also I read this article on Fox News yesterday.  I've copied and paste bc I am having trouble with the links.

 FOXNEWS.COM HOME &#62; SCITECH 
       
Scientist Who Created Dolly the Cloned Sheep to Abandon Technique

Saturday, November 17, 2007

LONDON —  The Scottish scientist who created Dolly the sheep more than a decade ago said he is abandoning the cloning technique that he pioneered, according to an interview published Saturday.
Ian Wilmut, who led the team that created Dolly in 1996, told The Daily Telegraph that he is abandoning cloning to pursue a new technique that can create stem cells without an embryo.

Wilmut's announcement could mark the end of therapeutic cloning, in which DNA is inserted into an unfertilized egg, an embryo is produced and stem cells are harvested, the newspaper said. Tens of millions of dollars have been spent worldwide on therapeutic cloning research in the past decade, but nobody has made it work in humans.

Wilmut believes a rival method pioneered in Japan that creates stem cells from fragments of skin is better for growing tissue that can be used to treat people who are paralyzed or have illnesses ranging from diabetes to Parkinson's disease.

He said the Japanese method does not require human eggs, making it "easier to accept socially" than his Dolly method, known as "nuclear transfer." The Japanese method removes the need to destroy embryos — an action many people oppose and that has become a major stumbling block for funding and regulating research.

"I decided a few weeks ago not to pursue nuclear transfer," Wilmut was quoted as saying.

Wilmut said he was inspired by Shinya Yamanaka of Kyoto University in Japan, who published a landmark paper last year, explaining how by slipping four genes into mouse skin cells called fibroblasts, he could make the altered cells behave much like embryonic stem cells in lab tests, the newspaper said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning John,</p>
<p>How is are you today?  Have you read any more Calvin lately? <img src='http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Hope all is well.</p>
<p>Good to see your post.  Your comment about being a 30 year burden is really a powerful one.  Being pro-life is not just about protecting unborn children, but protecting all life from fertilization to natural death. is the author and creator of life and He cherishes that life until we return home to Him.  If He didn&#039;t he wouldn&#039;t have sent His son Jesus Christ, as Savior and Redeemer of all Creation.  Life is such a precious gift and should never be taken for granted or lightly.  </p>
<p>Tommy&#039;s line of thought would allow for euthansia at any time that parents felt burdened.  I don&#039;t know a single parent who at some point of raising children didn&#039;t feel overwhelmed.  He sounds like Prof. Peter Singer a professor of ethics at Princeton, who believe that parents should be able to kill their handicapped children up to a month after birth. If you have not read his stuff before, it is quite scary.  This reasoning leads to dangerous slopes, which once gone down is very difficult to go back up.</p>
<p>Also I read this article on Fox News yesterday.  I&#039;ve copied and paste bc I am having trouble with the links.</p>
<p> FOXNEWS.COM HOME &gt; SCITECH </p>
<p>Scientist Who Created Dolly the Cloned Sheep to Abandon Technique</p>
<p>Saturday, November 17, 2007</p>
<p>LONDON —  The Scottish scientist who created Dolly the sheep more than a decade ago said he is abandoning the cloning technique that he pioneered, according to an interview published Saturday.<br />
Ian Wilmut, who led the team that created Dolly in 1996, told The Daily Telegraph that he is abandoning cloning to pursue a new technique that can create stem cells without an embryo.</p>
<p>Wilmut&#039;s announcement could mark the end of therapeutic cloning, in which DNA is inserted into an unfertilized egg, an embryo is produced and stem cells are harvested, the newspaper said. Tens of millions of dollars have been spent worldwide on therapeutic cloning research in the past decade, but nobody has made it work in humans.</p>
<p>Wilmut believes a rival method pioneered in Japan that creates stem cells from fragments of skin is better for growing tissue that can be used to treat people who are paralyzed or have illnesses ranging from diabetes to Parkinson&#039;s disease.</p>
<p>He said the Japanese method does not require human eggs, making it &#034;easier to accept socially&#034; than his Dolly method, known as &#034;nuclear transfer.&#034; The Japanese method removes the need to destroy embryos — an action many people oppose and that has become a major stumbling block for funding and regulating research.</p>
<p>&#034;I decided a few weeks ago not to pursue nuclear transfer,&#034; Wilmut was quoted as saying.</p>
<p>Wilmut said he was inspired by Shinya Yamanaka of Kyoto University in Japan, who published a landmark paper last year, explaining how by slipping four genes into mouse skin cells called fibroblasts, he could make the altered cells behave much like embryonic stem cells in lab tests, the newspaper said.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-2835</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will said, "Actually your Pro-Choice is defined as only making choices exceptable to Our Lord, which really isn't the definition of Pro-Choice or a Pro-Choice position by liberials of today. Yes you are right, you have come up with a new definition of your own."

No, that's not what I said.  I said that God gave ALL man the ability to make his/her choices (decisions).  I tend to look at the big picture...If God didn't give us choice, ALL MAN would be perfect...without sin...look back to Adam &#38; Eve.  If man were perfect, without sin, Jesus would not have had to come.

I also stated that Pro-Choice (in reference to abortion) was the WRONG title to be used in reference to abortion.  I think that they should use Pro-Abortion as their title because, with all deception removed, that's what they are &#38; that is what I am against.  I really don't care what the liberal's definition of pro-choice is for that matter...I know what the difference is between being pro-choice and pro-abortion.  Deception is the name of their game..one of which I don't play!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will said, &#034;Actually your Pro-Choice is defined as only making choices exceptable to Our Lord, which really isn&#039;t the definition of Pro-Choice or a Pro-Choice position by liberials of today. Yes you are right, you have come up with a new definition of your own.&#034;</p>
<p>No, that&#039;s not what I said.  I said that God gave ALL man the ability to make his/her choices (decisions).  I tend to look at the big picture&#8230;If God didn&#039;t give us choice, ALL MAN would be perfect&#8230;without sin&#8230;look back to Adam &amp; Eve.  If man were perfect, without sin, Jesus would not have had to come.</p>
<p>I also stated that Pro-Choice (in reference to abortion) was the WRONG title to be used in reference to abortion.  I think that they should use Pro-Abortion as their title because, with all deception removed, that&#039;s what they are &amp; that is what I am against.  I really don&#039;t care what the liberal&#039;s definition of pro-choice is for that matter&#8230;I know what the difference is between being pro-choice and pro-abortion.  Deception is the name of their game..one of which I don&#039;t play!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1113/cityhall1113/#comment-2833</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul2,
Thanks!  Yes, I think that the abortion industry and its supporters as a whole are 100% deceptive.  It's sad that young girls who are still struggling to "find themselves" have to be destroyed by this deception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul2,<br />
Thanks!  Yes, I think that the abortion industry and its supporters as a whole are 100% deceptive.  It&#039;s sad that young girls who are still struggling to &#034;find themselves&#034; have to be destroyed by this deception.</p>
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