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Fox Valley Families Against Planned Parenthood

Free speech rights under threat in Aurora

Posted by Eric Scheidler on Monday, October 29th, 2007

Police video surveillanceAs Roger reported, Saturday's rally was a tremendous success. I would estimate that at least 1,000 pro-lifers participated in the event, sending the message: "It's not over. We're here for life."

The Aurora police did a great job of keeping the peace and defending our First Amendment rights—that is, until the near the end of the Rally, when Police Chief William Powell and Corporation Counsel Alayne Weingartz came on the scene.

At this point we were hearing a talk by Bryan Kemper of Stand True Ministries. We faced difficult logistics for the talks that closed the Rally, thanks to the hideous fence put up by Dominick's. People were lined up in the strip of grass between the fence and the street, but some decided to cross the street to see and hear better.

The police didn't seem to have a problem with that—and why should they have a problem with citizens standing on the sidewalk in a free republic? But then Chief Powell arrived and decided that was against the city's ordinance against protests in residential districts (which, by the way, is unconstitutional).

By standing on the sidewalk listening to some speakers across the street, these pro-life folks were somehow "protesting" those residences on the east side of Oakhurst, according the Powell and Weingartz, who arrived shortly after him.

It was quite confusing. At one point the police blocked off that strip of Oakhurst, and people naturally assumed that was to facilitate our peaceable assembly and moved onto the pavement, only to be told to get off the street.

Weingartz not only objected to where people were standing, but claimed we needed a permit for out PA system, though we had been assured that amplification was okay by the City's outside counsel during negotiations Friday.

As Jason Craddock, one of our attorneys, tried to reason with Weingartz and the Chief, and Kemper's talk continued, a paddy wagon arrived! It was laughable, really, one little paddy wagon for a crowd numbering, at that point, some 800.

Today, Alderman Rick Lawrence, who was present for the whole rally, wrote a memo to Alderman Scheketa Hart-Burns, who chairs the Government Operations Committee, asking the committee to look into the residential protest ordinance so that the issue can be clarified before the city is hit with a lawsuit.

It's probably too late for that, though. The City of Aurora has been violating our First Amendment Rights in one way or another every since August 9, when the Vigil began and we were told we had to "keep moving."

Over the past 82 days they've capriciously suppressed our signs, ordered us to dig up our memorial crosses, allowed Planned Parenthood to erect a dangerous landscaping fence along both sides of the sidewalk, construed a prayer walk as a "residential picket" and overreacted to a string of groundless complaints from Planned Parenthood by sending intimidating numbers of police to the scene.

This looks to me like a deliberate effort to bully us out of the public square. It won't work, of course.

On a side, note, I wonder if city officials got together to arrange for the use of the "splayed finger hand gesture" that was employed several times. . .

Special gesture: police . . . here by a police officer . . .

Special gesture: Powell. . . and here by Chief Powell . . .

Special gesture: Weingartz. . . and here by Alayne Weingartz.

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50 Responses to “Free speech rights under threat in Aurora”

  1. Renee says:

    Is it possible to file a complaint somewhere, as a civilian who was disenfranchised by the abuse of power by Weingartz and Powell? No matter what one's opinion of abortion is, being stripped of First Amendment rights should cause concern to all the citizens of "the People's Rebublic of Aurora".

    October 29th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
  2. Laura K. says:

    Too funny! We'll all have to use the "splayed finger hand gesture" while we're doing our speeches next week! LOL

    October 29th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
  3. Dennis says:

    I suggest calling Chief Powell at 630-801-6500 and complain. I called left a note and am waiting for him to return my call – ha ha ha. But they need to know this event didn't go unnoticed. I have also made the Beacon aware of it and they said they are going to report on it on Tuesdays paper.

    October 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
  4. Net says:

    We had to leave early, but since there were so many people and too little space (thanks to the fenced off area), it's not surprising. I hope it's okay if I use a "splay" shot for our site. (I'll link back to you!) And we have a video on our site of the rally. (It hasn't been sent through at YouTube yet, so we haven't an embed link but the video is there.) Great turnout! Great diverse group! Great job everyone!

    October 29th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
  5. Jeff E says:

    Wow, even with all of the crazy things Weingartz has already done, she managed to top herself! There is no way that peaceful protesters in this country should be treated with such disdain… we need to stand up for our constitutional rights, so I'm glad to hear that a lawsuit to defend pro-lifers may be coming. Keep up the great work!

    October 29th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
  6. Dan the Methodist says:

    I too was very perplexed and angered. One of the Police officers was thoughtful enough to block the entrance to Oakhurst from New York. Creating a safe place to gather for a short time. Next thing I know we are all peacefully listening to the speaker when the tell us we needed to get off the street! They just blocked it off!!! Now we have to get out of the street??? I was very angry and was ready to sit my butt down in the street. My wife however pointed out that we didn't want arrests to be the headline in the next days newspaper. I somehow feel that my rights are infringed upon by both the police in this situation and the News Outlets. I am sure that they would have lead with the arrest angle and leave everything else out.
    Where does that leave us a citizens??? Spineless against Police Leadership that would abuse/misuse his position to make good with the Mayor. Where is the fareness in that????

    October 29th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
  7. Jerry Nickels says:

    If only the city would have been as concerned about legal issues and technicalities when dealing with PP's lies and obfuscations, we would not be having these gatherings! Peaceable citizens exercising their first amendment rights are harassed while the corporate giant Planned Parenthood waltzes into Aurora and gets whatever they want. Is this how Mayor Weisner wishes to be remembered?

    October 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
  8. John says:

    Jerry says,

    "Peaceable citizens exercising their first amendment rights are harassed while the corporate giant Planned Parenthood waltzes into Aurora and gets whatever they want. Is this how Mayor Weisner wishes to be remembered?"

    This is how all people of gov't want to be remembered. 1st admendmant rights are nothing next to economical gain. And thats just it isn't it…PP's advantage over any Pro-Life orginization is money…they have a lot of it and I wouldn't doubt if they throw a lot of it around to very influential people w/in the gov't.

    Someone should find out PP's worth…

    Are they public or private?

    Is it possible to purchase a single branch of PP?

    October 29th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
  9. Greg Guest says:

    Aurora is afraid of the power of Planned Parenthood litigation, but they are trying to intimidate us, because they don't believe we can affect them. (litigation, revenue loss, election loss, patronage job loss) They will continue to infringe on our rights until we refuse to allow them to. This will require perseverance and money.(if you must defend your rights in court) Why would anyone believe that the city or any city official would negotiate in good faith?

    "though we had been assured that amplification was okay by the City's outside counsel during negotiations Friday."

    And why do we need to negotiate to exercise our rights? I'm not advocating civil disobedience, but this is where the city is pushing us; challenging us.

    October 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
  10. Maureen says:

    Again the city of Aurora, meaning it's mayor and some of it's alderman, looked foolish again. First it was ok to stand in the median, then the police said we had to back up to the other sidewalk, then we must go to the south drive, (which was closed off, by the police, only then told that we must get onto the grassy area where the Safeway/Dominic fence was placed. All the while, police where taking video's of us. were they trying to incite a riot by these crazy moves, what was their purpose. Who where the radicals, and intimidators that day. Remember, this whole time there where children there. Obvious to everyone, the city was trying to start something. Trying to make us all look bad, we did not buy into their tactics. Making people continue to move about, video taping, then sending a paddywagon? Come on, the mayor and his back pocket alderman along with pp, are endearing themselves even more to the sane citizens of Aurora and the Pro-life people, pun intended. Did the mayor and his cronies realize what they where doing when they let pp sneak in. Do they really think we will go away. "Life" is far more important than they are. What a lesson they are giving to the young people as they see the government of Aurora in action. Protecting evil doers, liars and frauds. What else does the mayor, his cronies and pp have up there sleeve. For some strange reason, they do not realize that they have empowered us to fight for "Life", I can't image that their commitment to "death" could ever be quite as strong.

    October 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
  11. Bernie says:

    Regarding John's point about economic gain: Is there anyway of determining the market price of the land on which PP built its fortress? I heard (rumor) $600,000 but that PP paid more. I heard (rumor) PP paid around $1,000,000. Is there any way of finding out if these rumors are factual. If they are factual the next question is who got the $400,000?

    October 29th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
  12. Paul says:

    In my opinion, the mayor and the chief of police and the Alayne Weingartz are Mickey Mouses. They don't know how to treat peaceful, truthful, intelligent and determined citizens, who also know their rights and are willing to stand up to their attempts at intimidation. They don't realize that our leaders in the pro-life movement and our lawyers have years and years of experience in defending our rights IN COURT. So they better get wise. And in that regard, firing Alayne Weingartz would be a good first step.

    In closing, I want to emphasize that this is about the brutal killing of innocent babies and the harming of women and girls.

    I have observed already, two young teenage girls exiting the PP abortion clinic on the past two Saturdays. Both appeared to be under the age of 16. One appeared to be between 12 and 14 years age. The other one left with two older men who appeared to be in their 60's! This is what Weisner and Weingartz have on their hands now: minor girls who have been sexually abused, perhaps raped, their tiny babies aborted, and PP has not reported it to DCFS or the Police.

    Where is the outrage? Are we going to let this (underage girls being sexually abused without being reported) go on without raising our voices?!

    October 29th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
  13. Denise says:

    so what's going to happen next? will there be a lawsuit? I personally think there should be, ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous!!!!

    October 29th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
  14. says:

    We have suggested to the Aurora City Council and the Government Operations Committee chaired by Alderman Scheketa Hart-Burns to bring this matter for a public discussion so Ms. Weingartz can make her arguments against the constitution and explain her latest misconduct.

    Please contact Government Operations Committee Chairman Scheketa Hart-Burns at 630-898-2943 or email her at (please copy us at so we can follow up with her and Alderman Kifowit and Alderman Garza) and ask her to have her committee address the following critical issues under her committee's jurisdiction:

    1. The confusion and legality surrounding the ordinance for protesting or picketing.

    2. The micromanagement of the police department by the Weisner administration (Alayne Weingartz)

    3. The domestic spying (video surveillance) program on Aurora residents

    4. The reckless disregard by the Weisner administration for the Open Meetings Act

    We strongly believe open and transparent discussion of these important issues is in the best interest of everyone.

    October 29th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
  15. Mike says:

    The Beacon being the Tom weisner, and PP supporters that they are, will just turn around and print!angry protesters-out of control.

    October 30th, 2007 at 12:18 am
  16. John says:

    Paul says,

    "I have observed already, two young teenage girls exiting the PP abortion clinic on the past two Saturdays. Both appeared to be under the age of 16. One appeared to be between 12 and 14 years age. The other one left with two older men who appeared to be in their 60's! This is what Weisner and Weingartz have on their hands now: minor girls who have been sexually abused, perhaps raped, their tiny babies aborted, and PP has not reported it to DCFS or the Police."

    Or maybe it was their grandfather?

    Or maybe it was some other supportive family member?

    I hope no one honestly believes that any orginization, PP included, condones rape or sexual abuse?

    October 30th, 2007 at 8:01 am
  17. Mary says:

    Someone explain what this comment means?

    "3. The domestic spying (video surveillance) program on Aurora residents"

    October 30th, 2007 at 8:10 am
  18. John Jansen says:

    John said: "I hope no one honestly believes that any orginization, PP included, condones rape or sexual abuse?"

    You tell me.

    October 30th, 2007 at 9:07 am
  19. Joseph says:

    That's so weird that they would videotape the whole thing. Are they trying to frighten protestors? Perhaps threatening us, showing footage to our bosses and other important people in our lives. I know they might not know our bosses but its the point that they are threatening to use footage for some purpose.

    Why did it ever have to be, that you had to have a permit to protest. Whoever made that a law, is way beyond normal.

    October 30th, 2007 at 9:11 am
  20. John Jansen says:

    John said: "I hope no one honestly believes that any orginization, PP included, condones rape or sexual abuse?"

    Further consider, John, that in 2005, Planned Parenthood Golden Gate boasted of covering up the rape—forcible, not statutory—of an 11-year old girl.

    October 30th, 2007 at 9:13 am
  21. Elizabeth says:


    Seriously, please tell me that you are not THAT naive. Planned Parenthood will keep anything quiet to keep impressionable kids coming back to them so they can make money. It's their bottom line.


    October 30th, 2007 at 9:20 am
  22. John says:


    So you are telling me that every physician, nurse and staff member at PP supports rape and child abuse?

    Do you know all of them personally?

    Do you know any of them personally?

    …just because they are participating in aborting a child does not give you the ability to state that they are condoning sexual abuse on children. I do not see how you can make that assumption.

    Has some abuse slipped by the DCFS via PP…I'm sure of it. Has some abuse been overlooked due to unethical economic gain…probably. Just as it has slipped by at any general hospital across the US.

    Did Jesus not say, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

    Just because someone works at PP…does that make them evil?

    October 30th, 2007 at 9:40 am
  23. Tara says:


    PP tells kids to go to other websites like this). Check this website out. As a parent, I definately don't think any kids should be on this site. It disgusting.

    Look under parental notification (resources) it states that their resources, which links back to PP, will tell them how to get around parental notification or consent laws. Even going so far as to tell them to go another state that doesn't have an notification or consent laws. Such as Illinois. As a matter of fact, I've personally seen cars from MI, IN, IA in the parking lot. Why bc these states have parental notification or parental consent laws.

    I've also seen underage girls (under 16)going in with their boyfriends on abortion days. I bet their parents have no idea that they've been there. Some of these guys are older then 18. No police were called, which means no one was questioned. So do I think PP cares at all about these girls? NO WAY!!

    October 30th, 2007 at 10:23 am
  24. John says:


    I'm with you on Post#23. Do not confuse what I have been talking about with your points…

    I am talking about rape and sexual child abuse.

    Tara says,

    "I've also seen underage girls (under 16)going in with their boyfriends on abortion days. I bet their parents have no idea that they've been there. Some of these guys are older then 18."

    I agree…their parents more than likely do not know that they are there. And yes, parental consent would end that issue almost entirely. But as you stated, they are with their boyfriends and technically they were not forcibly raped. What should PP report to DCFS? Do they ask the girls how old the person was who impregnated them? Do you think any girl would openly admit to their partener's age if it would incriminate them?

    I think that every human being has the innate ability to love inside them. There is good in all of us…bringing it out is the hard part.

    Are there any benefit to condemning the employees of PP?

    October 30th, 2007 at 10:49 am
  25. Paul says:

    To the "John" of comments 16, etc:

    Excuse me John, I was there and I saw what I saw. Two YOUNG teenage girls, UNDER THE AGE OF LEGAL CONSENT,
    were in that place having their babies killed. They were under the age of LEGAL consent. That means they were too young, LEGALLY to give consent to engage in any kind of sexual activity. If they were pregnant, that means they were involved in sexual activity and were subjected to child sexual abuse, statutory rape, possibly incest. It doesn't matter what age the boys or men were that did this to them. It is still child sexual abuse and/or criminal sexual assault. These are legal definitions and would be determined by the REQUIRED OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION – either by DCFS or law enforcement.

    THE POINT IS: Planned Parenthood according to the LAWS in all 50 states, is MANDATED to report these SUSPECTED CASES OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES. In Illinois, this would be DCFS, the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services, OR to the local law enforcement, i.e., Aurora Police Department.

    Do you get, John?

    October 30th, 2007 at 10:52 am
  26. John says:

    Paul says,

    "THE POINT IS: Planned Parenthood according to the LAWS in all 50 states, is MANDATED to report these SUSPECTED CASES OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES."

    How do you know they didn't?


    There is no need to get angry with me. Remember hate breeds hate. If you took more time to spread love and not hate then maybe you will accomplish your goals at having PP shut down. I'm all for making people happy.

    I do not believe however that the empoloyees w/in PP are promoters of rape and sexual child abuse.

    October 30th, 2007 at 11:02 am
  27. Elizabeth says:


    No one has said that they PROMOTE rape..but they certainly don't stop it by reporting it. If somebody gets raped and it is not reported to the authorities then the rapist is FREE out there to continue raping..and you know why that's OK with PP? Because rape victims have abortions…and abortions make them money. I mean come are preaching this lovey dovey oh everybody's nice and nobody would ever do anything wrong…get your head out of the clouds and come back to reality. Not everybody is nice and loving..there is evil in this world, and there are people who keep rape and incest a secret so they can make money off of it. Making it safe for someone, someday to go out there and rape your daughter. As a mother of a little beautiful really infuriates me. Because I love her more than anything..and if anybody contributed to her being raped (i.e. PP for not reporting rapists) then you would probably have to tie me to a chair for the rest of my life.


    October 30th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
  28. Jerry Nickels says:

    Someone asked that just because a person works for PP, does that make them evil? First, it is not a question of us calling someone "evil" or "condemning" them. Pro-lifers are probably more in tune with our human frailties than most and subsequently are loathe to judge others, to condemn them and call them evil, etc. So if someone called PP employees evil, which I have not seen, you will not see it happen often.

    But having said that, does it preclude an individual or a society from making a prudential judgement about an act or a morally indefensible position as being evil?
    For example we say murder is evil, and we say the holocaust was evil and we condemn the actions of the indivduals involved in the unjust taking of innocent human life.

    We also say child pornography is evil. Is the person who drives the truck that delivers the child porn evil? That is only for God to say, but we can call upon that person who works for or contracts with the pornographer to examine what s/he is acquiesing in by their willingness to participate in the dissemination of the porn. We may not know them personally, but we don't have to. The fact that they work for the pornographer puts them in a morally precarious position very much akin the the nurse who works for the abortuary.

    Just as we can call upon the employee of the porn company, so too we can call upon the abortuary worker to think again about what is going on in there and whether this is the correct thing to be involved in.

    Of course, if there is no objective standard to determine right from wrong then nothing is truly evil or truly good. Under this scenario the taking of human life, unborn OR born, is just a matter of legalities. And with human nature being what it is we cannot be assured that the law will continue to protect ourselves or our loved ones.

    October 30th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
  29. John says:

    Elizabeth says,

    "Because rape victims have abortions…and abortions make them money."

    Yes…money is the root of all evil.

    "you are preaching this lovey dovey oh everybody's nice and nobody would ever do anything wrong…get your head out of the clouds and come back to reality."

    I am not preaching anything…(however I wish I was wise enought to preach)

    I am completely aware of the evils in this world, I just do not believe that the employees w/in PP are advocates of rape and sexual child abuse. It is absurd to say this unless you know the people personally. Please read my posts #26,24, 22.

    "Because I love her more than anything..and if anybody contributed to her being raped (i.e. PP for not reporting rapists)"

    PP reporting a rapist (which in my opinion they should do and I hope and pray that they make their best efforts to do so) will not keep your daughter from being raped. Nothing can protect any of the women or men that we love in our society from forcible sex.

    Also just a little addition to this terrible topic of rape…most convicted rapist get shorter jail sentences then drug dealers.

    Unbelievable the worst crime (though they are hard to rate) I can think of, rape/child melostation, and they serve some of the shortest jail times if I'm not misstaken.

    October 30th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
  30. John says:

    Jerry says,

    Let me preface this comment that your post#28 was very well written. Your examples were extrodinary. I just have a few comments…

    "So if someone called PP employees evil, which I have not seen, you will not see it happen often."

    No one called an employee evil…I asked everyone if a person is employeed at PP does that make them evil?

    "morally precarious position very much akin the the nurse who works for the abortuary."

    Abortuary – first time I've seen that word used here…very clever.

    "Of course, if there is no objective standard to determine right from wrong then nothing is truly evil or truly good."

    Best comment of the blog.

    Thank you Jerry for the rational comments and discussion. As I stated earlier your example was excellent. So I ask this question to all once more…

    If a person is employeed at PP does that make that person evil?

    October 30th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
  31. Roger says:

    John asks:

    If a person is employeed at PP does that make that person evil?

    Let me turn that around a bit for you to answer….

    Did participation in the killing of Jews in the Holocaust make those participants evil? Does the person who assists a killer doing evil? Is that person evil?

    The answer is that no one can know. Only God knows the intent and the heart.

    A person can be in ignorance, but that does not excuse them. It can reduce their culpability for the action.

    But it does not change the objective truth of the action. Abortion is objectively evil.

    Those who participate in it are participants in this evil action. It does not make them "evil", but that does not really matter. The action is still the action.

    God Bless,

    October 30th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
  32. Lizette says:

    Correction for John,
    For the "LOVE" of money is the root of all evil. You cannot serve God and Man.

    October 30th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
  33. Cathy says:

    John, I remember a recent piece by Fox News about PP. During that piece they played two record telephone calls by someone pretending to be an underage girl with an adult boyfriend calling to find out how to get an abortion at the PP facility (I think the two in questions were in California, or somewhere else out west). When they told the PP person on the phone that they were under 15 and their boyfriend was 20+ the PP person encouraged them to lie about their age when they came to the clinic so that they (PP) would not have to report the statuatory rape to the authorities. That's not to say that all PP employees encourage this, but it does throw some doubt on their total honesty in these suspected cases.

    October 30th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
  34. Ramir San Diego says:

    Here's the link to Fox report.

    "……just because they are participating in aborting a child does not give you the ability to state that they are condoning sexual abuse on children…"

    Well, based on the "sting" reports on PP's response to underage girls inquiring about abortion…they definitely did NOT want to report sexual abuse on children. Now, won't that person be considered an accessory to the crime?

    It could also be said that 'maybe' those PP clerks are just doing this out of their own 'choice' BUT the overwhelming majority of the PP clerks that were called readily agreed to conceal this illegal sexual activity…THAT sounds like corporate policy to me.

    October 31st, 2007 at 10:12 am
  35. John says:

    Ramir and Cathy,

    Let me be a little more specific…

    I am speaking of forcible/violent rape.

    Either way…I understand the law of statutary rape and the penalaties associated with it however…

    If a female (under the age of 17) makes the choice to have relations w/ an older man (18 and older) then she choose to participate in these relations. So if the girl concedes to have sex with her partner, obviously she does not want him to be incrimicated.

    Is it really rape when a 15y/o highschool student has relations with an 18y/o highschool student and both were willing?

    October 31st, 2007 at 11:25 am
  36. Ramir San Diego says:

    Well, the law says it is…but that doesn't seem to stop PP nowadays…

    October 31st, 2007 at 12:57 pm
  37. John says:


    The law also says that abortions are not murder…

    Seems like there are a lot of laws that need some adjusting.

    October 31st, 2007 at 1:28 pm
  38. Ramir San Diego says:

    I wholeheartedly agree, John.

    October 31st, 2007 at 1:36 pm
  39. Mike says:

    A personnel complaint against any employee of the Aurora Police Department may be taken by any supervisor. Go to the front desk area and speak to the officer and request to speak with a supervisor about a personnel complaint. The supervisor will listen to your complaint to see what, if any, laws, policies or procedures may have been violated. Upon making such a determination, the supervisor will complete a performance complaint and request that you sign the performance complaint in the presence of a notary public. If a supervisor is not available, you may take a Details of Complaint form with you, fill it out with as much detail as possible, and return it to the Aurora Police Department’s Office of Professional Standards. By Illinois law, the complaint form must be notarized. You will be contacted when the complaint is received.
    You may also call the Office of Professional Standards hotline at (630) 801-6765.

    November 2nd, 2007 at 5:20 am
  40. Ernestine Standberry says:

    My "Freedom of Speech" was attacked during the Clinton Administration! In 1995, I was baptised by the Holy Spirit as in Acts 2, after I repented for the 8 abortions I had before I had children! Immediately, I started calling the Whitehouse Hotline giving my testimony and opposing Roe v. Wade! CIA agents were sent to my home "Ordered by The First Lady" (Hillary Clinton) on numerous occasions! They all said they had orders from the "First Lady" to take me either to a police lockup then it got to be psychiatric hospital because I would not give up! Jehovah God showed me my other children! I will not stop giving my testimony! My youngest son, Khallee, was placed in abusive foster care for 2-1/2 years! They labeled me as crazy and dangerous to my son! My little boy use to protest with me when Carefirst was operating here in Chicago! Today, I'm still pursuing Mayor Daley's Office for compensatory damages for my son and myself for this harrassment! My testimony can be viewed on the internet "Again, I was once prochoice God showed me."
    Ernestine Standberry, President
    International Prolife Federation…get the news #1 on Google. Check out our Message Boards
    Our Mission Statement can be viewed at WeCareToo.

    November 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 pm
  41. Paul2 says:

    May continue to bless and keep in your repentance and in His forgiveness. And thank you for your testimony.

    November 3rd, 2007 at 1:08 pm
  42. Paul2 says:

    May continue to bless you and keep you in your repentance and in His forgiveness. This I ask in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen

    November 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 pm
  43. Paul2 says:

    Sorry I missed putting God in there.
    May God continue to bless you and keep you in your repentance and in His forgiveness. This I ask in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen

    November 3rd, 2007 at 5:26 pm
  44. Greg says:

    As a resident of Oakhurst I do agree that we were deceived by the construction permits being pulled under a false name. At the same time I am tired of having to stare at a 4 foot tall poster of a bloody fetus every time I come home. I speak for a number of neighbors on this point, especially the ones that drive by there with children in their car. The daily protesting has proved to be a nuisance and not an effective way to stop anything. Get a life you people.

    November 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
  45. Tara says:


    We do have lives, and we want every unborn child to have the same. Most of the time it is just people praying. Tell me what is so scary to children to see people stand up for what they believe in and pray in public?

    I haven't seen you post in awhile, bc the poster you are referring to hasn't been out. But it was today, so here you are complaining again.

    We are not going anywhere. We will be out there until PP is gone.

    November 6th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
  46. John says:


    I realize this response is under the wrong blog but for some odd reason it was not posting there so sorry for any confusion.

    I appreciate the conversation as well. Should I just google the Calvin Institutes I would enjoy/appreciate the knowledge.

    As far as your research in which I forgot to comment on…

    "Then I looked at income, racial make-up in the community, and if the PP does abortions. Eye opening. PP does abortions in communities where the median imcome is less then 50K (excluding univiersity towns). And they had significant or majority minority populations"

    To me the easy part about this fact is that the minority populations and lower income families unfortunately conincide w/ one another. So PP being located where they are, near the financially challenged or the young (as sad as it sounds) is a correct business strategy for them.

    Here are my questions to this;

    Where/why has religion failed in educating our youth?

    PP education seems to be free/gov't funded correct?

    How did this come about?

    November 6th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
  47. Tara says:


    You can google Calvin Institutes, but I bet you can find them at the book store. I know you can find them at Christian bookstores. The Library might have is as well.

    Where/why has religion failed in educating our youth?

    My church does. We actively talk about sexual intimacy to both junior/sr highers. What is healthy and what's not. Parents are involved.

    You see, for Christians God set sex to be expressed in marriage between a man and woman from the beginning. It was God's idea not man's.

    In Genesis 2:24-25 says a man shall leave his father and mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed. I don't think sex is evil or wrong. I see it as something extremely beautiful that is intended not only for pleasure but to create life. But within the boundaries of marraige. This is what I tell my children.

    Marraige and family is the very foundation of society. It is the glue. Jesus quoted Genesis 2:24-25 in Matthew 19:5, Paul reiterates it in 1 Corinthians 6:16 and Ephesians 5:31. When you have sex with multiple partners you bring them into your marriage and it causes jealousy and mistrust. This to many is seen as hateful and intolerent, but it is not meant to be. Which is why I think some don't teach it.

    There are other churches that just don't believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong. This goes completely counter to Scripture. I hope that answers some of your questions.

    I have read the Institutes. If you decide to let me know.

    PP education seems to be free/gov't funded correct?

    Yes, they are funded through Title X. If you google Title X, you can go to US Dept of Health & Human Servies.

    There is a push to have that money taken away from PP until all these investigations into malpractice, not reporting sexual abuse, doing illegal abortions are resolved. That would be in the tune of $300 million. If they lost this money it would severely hurt them, bc they don't get enough money from private donations to make up for that kind of financial loss.

    Hope this helps.

    November 6th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
  48. Greg says:

    The post I left yesterday was the first one I have left, so you may have me confused with another Greg that left a post on this site. I am not complaining about the prayer vigils, in all honesty I agree with all of you there. I don't want the clininc there either. What I'm addressing is the vulgar signs that I've seen there on a continual basis. I have seen two different ones and I see them all the time. I don't think any of us should have to look at a large poster of an aborted fetus when we are driving to our homes. The man that I often see holding it goes so far as to hold it out and point it at cars driving by, just incase we didn't notice the 4 foot tall, mostly red poster. This is a family community and there are a number of residents with children here. Why should the children be exposed to this at such a young age and why should the parents be forced to answer the questions this instills in their children's minds? Don't you think that this is something parents should have the right to educate their children at an age they feel is appropriate. The signs are very graphic and the point can be made without them.

    My point of the protesting not accomplishing anything is true. The clinic is there and conducting their business as usual. The only way to stop this is through the courts. The protesters have been there for two months now and not stopping PP….that is my point.

    November 7th, 2007 at 11:54 am
  49. Tara says:

    Greg -

    I'm sorry there was another Greg that posted before. So please accept my apologies. He wasn't very nice.

    I totally agree that parents should educate their children. I've had to and my children are young. I don't like those pictures either. I have struggled with those who use those pictures, but I have had a person tell me that those pictures have changed their mind. This person said I had no idea that an fetus looks like a baby. Abortion is ugly and those babies are tortured and killed without any compassion.

    When I am out there I spend my time praying. Even though they are open doesn't mean that we should not be witnesses. You can't change things if you just go on ingnoring the elephant in the room. I to believe that we must also fight in the courts, but having the opportunity last week of having a girl walk over from PP to talk was worth being out there for the last 4 months. Had we not been there then she might have thought that what PP had to offer was her only choice. That's why I go there. Even if we helped one here, one there, we are changing hearts.

    Have you thought about talking to the man who holds the signs? I'm sure he wouldn't mind talking to you.

    November 7th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
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