Comments on: Wednesday open discussion thread http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:56:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: eneconiimaday http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-3243 eneconiimaday Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:16:09 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-3243 I want to get a credit card to restore my credit, but my credit rating is bad. Where can I find <a href="http://blogs.ign.com/BadCreditCreditCards/2007/09/18/66589/" rel="nofollow">Unsecured Credit Cards Bad Credit</a>? I want to get a credit card to restore my credit,
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]]> By: John http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1956 John Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:53:43 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1956 Tara and others, Here is a perfect example of what Tara in Post #39 was talking about... http://cbs2chicago.com/local/drunken.driving.sentence.2.413885.html Copy and paste this link...(as I'm retarded and can't figure out how to use the "link tags") The article is about a man who just got senteced for a drunk driving accident w/ a woman who was pregnant. Tara and others,

Here is a perfect example of what Tara in Post #39 was talking about…

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/drunken.driving.sentence.2.413885.html

Copy and paste this link…(as I'm retarded and can't figure out how to use the "link tags") The article is about a man who just got senteced for a drunk driving accident w/ a woman who was pregnant.

]]> By: Kirk http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1954 Kirk Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:56:09 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1954 Jason says: a severed arm isn't a sentient being despite the fact it contains human DNA. Jason, are you suggesting that your arm isn't a part of you - presumably a sentient human being? Also, I notice that you typically respond to posts that are posted somewhat imprecisely (non of us our professional apologists - yourself included). Yet when other consistently bring up points that you are unable to refute - that are addressed specifically to you - you ignore them. You just move onto a different post that was not worded as well as it might have been, and attempt to show flaws in it. Do you think that by demonstrating that someone used a wrong word you are refuting the much more important and greater concepts that are inspiring them to take the time to correspond with you? What do you feel that you are gaining by posting and picking and choosing your responses? It seems sort of pointless. Jason says: a severed arm isn't a sentient being despite the fact it contains human DNA.

Jason, are you suggesting that your arm isn't a part of you - presumably a sentient human being?

Also, I notice that you typically respond to posts that are posted somewhat imprecisely (non of us our professional apologists - yourself included). Yet when other consistently bring up points that you are unable to refute - that are addressed specifically to you - you ignore them. You just move onto a different post that was not worded as well as it might have been, and attempt to show flaws in it. Do you think that by demonstrating that someone used a wrong word you are refuting the much more important and greater concepts that are inspiring them to take the time to correspond with you?
What do you feel that you are gaining by posting and picking and choosing your responses? It seems sort of pointless.

]]> By: John http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1953 John Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:48:35 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1953 Tara says, "There are laws that allow for murder charges if an unborn child is killed in an act of violence against his/her mother. I find it ironic that unborn children have "person" status in this case bc the woman decided to chose life, and at the same time a unborn child is only a "potential life", if the woman chooses to abort. It is contradictory." That's a HUGE contradiction... How about this one...suicide. Suicide, if I'm not misstaken, is a crime. So what happens if a woman tries to kill herself while she is pregnant...lives...but then has a misscarriage? Does this fall under abortion...or...? I'm not sure. And Tara...no worries about delayed responses...its always better to be busy then bored. Tara says,

"There are laws that allow for murder charges if an unborn child is killed in an act of violence against his/her mother. I find it ironic that unborn children have "person" status in this case bc the woman decided to chose life, and at the same time a unborn child is only a "potential life", if the woman chooses to abort. It is contradictory."

That's a HUGE contradiction…

How about this one…suicide. Suicide, if I'm not misstaken, is a crime.

So what happens if a woman tries to kill herself while she is pregnant…lives…but then has a misscarriage?

Does this fall under abortion…or…? I'm not sure.

And Tara…no worries about delayed responses…its always better to be busy then bored.

]]> By: Sylvia http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1946 Sylvia Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:56:07 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1946 Yes, a soul is of prime consideration in what makes a human person a human person. But a human person is not as the angels, who are pure spirit. Human persons are both body and soul, linked together,created in the image and likeness of God. It is the body that gives human persons an ability that even the angels lack: to be co-creators with God in the generation of new human life. And at the end of the world, the souls of all who have died will be reunited with their glorified bodies in the final Resurrection of the Dead. So when does a human person become a human person? The only answer can be at conception, when God creates from nothing a soul that He breathes into the flesh of a newly conceived, unique child that was created from the union of the mother and father. Yes, a soul is of prime consideration in what makes a human person a human person. But a human person is not as the angels, who are pure spirit. Human persons are both body and soul, linked together,created in the image and likeness of God. It is the body that gives human persons an ability that even the angels lack: to be co-creators with God in the generation of new human life. And at the end of the world, the souls of all who have died will be reunited with their glorified bodies in the final Resurrection of the Dead.
So when does a human person become a human person? The only answer can be at conception, when God creates from nothing a soul that He breathes into the flesh of a newly conceived, unique child that was created from the union of the mother and father.

]]> By: Steve http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1944 Steve Sat, 27 Oct 2007 03:30:07 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1944 Jason, I just started reading this thread and I find that your arguments are...how do I say it...confusing. How did you boil human life down to DNA? Why are you arguing that your toenails have DNA? What in the world does this have to do with a child? Your arguments sir are very far from coherent... in fact, you don't seem to have a point at all. Pleas clarify for us who are quite baffled by your approach. Thanks. Jason, I just started reading this thread and I find that your arguments are…how do I say it…confusing. How did you boil human life down to DNA? Why are you arguing that your toenails have DNA? What in the world does this have to do with a child? Your arguments sir are very far from coherent… in fact, you don't seem to have a point at all. Pleas clarify for us who are quite baffled by your approach. Thanks.

]]> By: Diane http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1942 Diane Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:44:25 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1942 that which makes a human being is it's SOUL that which makes a human being is it's SOUL

]]> By: Tara http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1941 Tara Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:50:19 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1941 John, Sorry for not responding sooner, I am throwing a fundraiser for my pastor who is adopting a 2 1/2 yr old from China, on Sunday, so life is a little hectic. I'm glad that my answer helped. I agree, if protecting the unborn child is important to the state at viability (20 weeks), then they should have a vested interest earlier on in the pregnancy. Which was the case before Roe. States have since been trying to regain ground, but Planned Parenthood, NARAL, NOW and the ACLU are ready to take the state to court to stop any law that would restrict it. It is amazing how often they are in court. For example: they are against parental notification or consent. They want a wedge to be placed between a minor and her parents (this is not being pro-family). Doctors and dentists can't treat my daughters w/o my consent, but she can go have an abortion w/o my knowledge. This is a major decision that has life long consequences and they don't want me to be part of it. That's just wrong. There are laws that allow for murder charges if an unborn child is killed in an act of violence against his/her mother. I find it ironic that unborn children have "person" status in this case bc the woman decided to chose life, and at the same time a unborn child is only a "potential life", if the woman chooses to abort. It is contradictory. John,

Sorry for not responding sooner, I am throwing a fundraiser for my pastor who is adopting a 2 1/2 yr old from China, on Sunday, so life is a little hectic.

I'm glad that my answer helped.

I agree, if protecting the unborn child is important to the state at viability (20 weeks), then they should have a vested interest earlier on in the pregnancy. Which was the case before Roe. States have since been trying to regain ground, but Planned Parenthood, NARAL, NOW and the ACLU are ready to take the state to court to stop any law that would restrict it. It is amazing how often they are in court. For example: they are against parental notification or consent. They want a wedge to be placed between a minor and her parents (this is not being pro-family). Doctors and dentists can't treat my daughters w/o my consent, but she can go have an abortion w/o my knowledge. This is a major decision that has life long consequences and they don't want me to be part of it. That's just wrong.

There are laws that allow for murder charges if an unborn child is killed in an act of violence against his/her mother. I find it ironic that unborn children have "person" status in this case bc the woman decided to chose life, and at the same time a unborn child is only a "potential life", if the woman chooses to abort. It is contradictory.

]]> By: Dawn http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1938 Dawn Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:38:04 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1938 Baby shower items: Here's the clarification on the needs - car seats need to be new only because there is no way to tell if they've ever been in an accident. Cribs can be used so long as they meet all current saftely standards and are not recalled. All sizes of clothing are needed from newborn to 2T. Gently used is OK. Winter coats, hats, and gloves too - newborn to 2T. Any other large items such as highchairs, stroller, etc can be gently used. Then of course there is always the need for diapers of all sizes plus baby care items such as lotions, wipes, shampoo, etc. Feel free to post additional questions if need be and i'll check the blog later tonight. God bless, Dawn Baby shower items:

Here's the clarification on the needs - car seats need to be new only because there is no way to tell if they've ever been in an accident. Cribs can be used so long as they meet all current saftely standards and are not recalled.

All sizes of clothing are needed from newborn to 2T. Gently used is OK. Winter coats, hats, and gloves too - newborn to 2T.

Any other large items such as highchairs, stroller, etc can be gently used.

Then of course there is always the need for diapers of all sizes plus baby care items such as lotions, wipes, shampoo, etc.

Feel free to post additional questions if need be and i'll check the blog later tonight.

God bless,
Dawn

]]> By: Erin http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1937 Erin Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:38:25 +0000 http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/1024/wednesday-open-discussion-thread-2/#comment-1937 I checked CareNet of DuPage's website, and it said gently used were ok, sizes 2T and under. Also accepted are learning toys, furniture/accessories less than 6 yrs old with ALL parts, unopened diapers sizes 1-6, sealed wipes, and sealed formula (brand names preferable to avoid allergies). I would have liked to call the Crisis Pregnancy Center in Aurora, but unfortunately they were closed this afternoon. Hopefully their guidelines are similar. Jason-- you can be identified at a crime scene from hair and skin DNA. That is the definition I am using. Even with some mutations, it is unique enough to be identified as yours. If you want to argue that a fetus is a mutation of his/her mother's DNA in the same way that cancer is, I would love to hear that one. BTW, when do YOU think life begins? Erin I checked CareNet of DuPage's website, and it said gently used were ok, sizes 2T and under. Also accepted are learning toys, furniture/accessories less than 6 yrs old with ALL parts, unopened diapers sizes 1-6, sealed wipes, and sealed formula (brand names preferable to avoid allergies). I would have liked to call the Crisis Pregnancy Center in Aurora, but unfortunately they were closed this afternoon. Hopefully their guidelines are similar.

Jason– you can be identified at a crime scene from hair and skin DNA. That is the definition I am using. Even with some mutations, it is unique enough to be identified as yours. If you want to argue that a fetus is a mutation of his/her mother's DNA in the same way that cancer is, I would love to hear that one.

BTW, when do YOU think life begins?

Erin

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