Dominick's erects fence under cover of night
Posted by Eric Scheidler, October 12th, 2007
Late last night I got a call from stalwart prayer warrior Bruce Sutcliff that a chain-link fence was being erected around the vacant lot across from the entrance to Planned Parenthood.
The fence completely blocks off the spot from which we have been reaching out to Planned Parenthood clients.
(By the way, you can click on any of the pictures on this page for a high resolution version.)
Planned Parenthood has been griping about our presence in that lot ever since they opened. They launched a telephone campaign, calling on Dominick's to throw us off that lot.
Last night, Dominick's caved to Planned Parenthood.
I had been in touch with Victor Carlson, the general manager of the Dominick's, and Winona Redmond, with public affairs at Dominick's corporate office. I explained that we just wanted to be left alone there to reach out to women in crisis.
When I talked to Ms. Redmond on Monday, she said she appreciated my input and that I would be "the first one I call" if any decision was made about what to do.
Today I learned from Andre Salles of the Beacon that the permit application for the fence was dated October 4, four days before I spoke to Ms. Redmond. So far today, Ms. Redmond has not returned my calls. I hear she's out sick—but she did talk to the Beacon.
According to Andre, they cite public safety concerns do to the recent activity in the area. Of course, we've been out there, occasionally setting foot on that lot, since August 9. All of a sudden, two days after Planned Parenthood opens and realizes we might have an impact on their business, it's a public safety concern.
So what should we do about it? I suggest three action items:
- Go check it out. Drive by — today if you can — and take a look for yourself at the fence and the No Trespassing signs.
- Decide whether you can keep shopping at Dominick's or not. As for me, I won't shop at Dominick's until the fence and signs come down. I'll be dropping off my Dominick's Fresh Card at the customer service counter with a note that as long as that fence is up, I won't be shopping there.
- Call Dominick's and parent company Safeway and tell them what you think about their action:
Victor Carlson- General Manager
- Dominick's Store
- 630-236-0683
- Please call Dominick's customer line instead: 877-723-3929
- Winona Redmon
- Public Affairs
- Dominick's Corporation
- 630-891-5000 x5157 (Update 10/15: Goes to voicemail)
- Brian Dowling
- Public Affairs VP
- Safeway Corporation
- 925-467-3000
Now, no one disputes that Dominick's has the right to put up that fence. But they didn't have to. They could have just stayed out of it and let us be there offering help to women and praying for them. Instead, they put up a fence.
This is a disappointing development, but far from discouraging. On the contrary, that fence goes to show how effective our whole campaign has been. Look how far the devil will go just to hassle us! He really hates what we're doing here in Aurora.
So let's keep doing it.
Note: The fence will not disrupt the October 27 "We're Here for Life" Rally.
I think we should concentrate on removing any funding for PP. If they don't make money they'll leave on their own.
Also since the southern sates have been so successful in ridding themselves of abortion why don't we copy their style.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Hear, hear, Eric. Well put this fence presents a lot of messages. Although it was put up by permit. It clearly does not meet city standards as established by the 2007 fence standards booklet; but the Mayor's legal team ok'd it. Secondly, if there is any question about where Dominick's or Safeway stands on this issue, we know now. They are not neutral. (next we'll have parking problems.) PP is clearly affected by our efforts: guards that harass us, fences erected in the dark of night (berlin wall-ish), lies about violence. I am only strengthened by there tactics. We will overcome.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
I have already decided to do my shopping elsewhere. Dominicks and Safeway are on my list of merchants to avoid. I called the store this morning and also corporate to voice my disappointment. The store manager was nice enough telling me there was nothing he could do and that I should call corporate, he went so far as to say he was a church going family man and had nothing to do with the decision to put up a fence. Corporate tried to tell me they put up the fence because of "activity" on the lot and they were not taking sides. I replied that they are taking sides caving to PP and that I have never seen any trouble with the "activity" at the vacant lot. I then informed her I had no option but to no longer be considered a customer of theirs. She then tried to spin it saying they weren't taking sides and I again told her I don't buy that story and they should really be upset with PP sneaking next door to them and that pro life families have strong conviction and will follow through with a boycot. At that point she hung up. Kind of made me even angrier as I was being very polite, just not agreeing with her. SO for now it is bye, bye, Dominicks.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
I am going directly with my Fresh Values card to my local Schaumburg Dominicks to hand it to the manager stapled with a color printout of this page. That's it. No more business to Dominick's from me until they change their tune. Right now they are way off key, and it makes me sick to hear it!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Great, so in addition to having an abortion mill in the neighborhood, local residents also get a thousand yards of slap-dash chain link fencing to go with it. PP sure is a good neighbor!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
I think the idea of not shopping at Dominicks is an excellent idea (and I opposed general boycotting of Aurora businesses in the blog earlier). With one addition. We have to let Dominicks/Safeway know what we are doing and why. Several people have mentioned that already, I just wanted to emphasize it and agree. They would not miss my shopping dollars if I did not make a point of letting corporate know.
BUT, we are not near defeat! We will not loose hope! Our God is an Awesome God and God's People here are awesome!
BTW We would never find out for sure, but I just can't help but wonder who paid for that fence…………
God Bless Your Day,
juli c. pealstrom
October 12th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Remember how 20 years ago President Reagan stood by the wall separating East Germany from the west, and asked the Russian president, "Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall". This incredible request, coupled with the events in Poland, and the efforts by Pope John Paul, resulted in the eventual destruction of that evil wall. So let us never lose hope. With GOD on our side, this fence also will fall - we will prevail - Vivat JESU!
October 12th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
I am not shopping there either.. for them to say they are not taking sides and then to act on the side of PP it is just wrong.. Heck.. I should have known that they were baby unfriendly and not give a rats booty about baby's when I went to change my baby and there was no changing table. I thought that was odd. Anyhow, I stopped going there a while ago, but now I think I am going to just never set foot in one again. I have also told everyone in my family, and my hubby's family (and he has 6 sisters and 1 brother, and they all have kids).
October 12th, 2007 at 6:26 pm
from Jeff; I just goy off the phone with Victor C, gen. manager Dominics. He says nothing would make him happier than to see this all go away. He sounded sympathetic to the pro-life cause. He's following direction from Safeway corporate authority. A fence doesn't prevent the truth. We, as pro-life supporters, have legal rights and space open to us being citizens. Let us bind together in love of neighbor, born and pre-born, sharing the contagious joy found in service to God our father, and work for peace and freedom with the tools this great country avails to us. Let us not let a fence distract us from who the enemy and liars and "freedom takers" are. Law makers are subject to the law as well as the people they serve. Before I got off the phone with Victor C. we wished mutual blessings from God on each other; maybe Safeway/Dominics will ally with us in some other way. Peace and perseverance of Jesus Christ be with us. 10/12/07 p.m.
October 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
I am not affected by this particular Dominick's fence, bu I will add my telephone protest to others. God will not be defeated, no matter how much Satan tries. He has thrown down the gauntlet and we are gladly picking it up and are ready to do war with him ouselves.
October 12th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
I called them to thank them in the name of MY jesus for putting up the fence. MY jesus loves abortion and born women and doesn't care that much about unborn blobs. I am also sending planned parenthood (a WONDERFUL organization) a donation in your names.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Just a few thoughts: Now that Dominicks has made it less safe for pedestrians to come and go to their store, are they exposed to even more liability if an injury were to occur due to a pedestrian having nowhere to go to avoid an errant vehicle? Winter is right around the corner, and with it slippery surfaces. Perhaps it is time for them to install a sidewalk to ensure greater public safety. Can/should the city weigh in on this public safety concern?
October 12th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
Yay, Dominicks!! I am so happy that center opened. I am so happy that they will be able to stay open sans Jesus Freaks "ministering" with their bull horns and lame bucket shots. I was once on of you. I used to picket clinics. I am so glad my brain grew back. Hey, guess what, four thousand women will avail themselves of their choice to end their unwanted pregnancies TOMORROW. Yay, Choice!!!
October 12th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
To FOM: praise jeeeezus! i am so happy you overcame your evil ways and have seen the truth and the light. may the ignorant others who care not about womens' rights see the truth as you have. god bless you my child. your reward shall be in heaven. may the python of monty be always by your side!
October 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
Thanks, Frank. But, you know, being an ex-born again xian, the wonderful feeling of freedom and peace I get knowing there is no sky daddy and there is no eternity, is all I need. Thanks again and may the FSM touch you with his noodley appendage.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
I just wrote my letter of disgust and taped my Fresh Values card to it. I'll be dropping it off tomorrow. Let's see if we can get word out to the point where there will be a line of people at Customer Service returning their cards!
October 12th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
In addition to a total ban on Dominick’s, I would suggest determining if the other businesses in that strip mall lease their property from Safeway – or a legal entity related to them. And if any do, I will ban them as well. Additionally, I will be sending each lessee and their corporate offices (if applicable) a letter indicating the reasons behind my decision – and of course – a CC of those letters to the Dominick’s store and head offices of each letter.
As of now, the Chase Bank leases space in the Dominick’s. I will be closing my accounts there and drafting the letter tonight!
October 12th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
We need to petition the city to put up a sidewalk on the south end (easement) side of that property vacant lot. It is THEIR OWN FAULT that this has happened. If PP has a right to be there, we have a right to peacefully assemble and protest(a right that is actually NAMED in the constitution and not found in some "penumbra"). Pontius Weisner and his "planning commission" need to take steps immediately to pour a sidewalk in place.
After all, don't we want to encourage people to drive less?
October 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
"As of now, the Chase Bank leases space in the Dominick’s. I will be closing my accounts there and drafting the letter tonight!"
They will surely be devastated. America will spiral into a deep financial depression if you carry out your threat. Please reconsider. Billions of peoples' jobs hang in the balance. Bwahahaha.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
"I just wrote my letter of disgust and taped my Fresh Values card to it. I'll be dropping it off tomorrow. Let's see if we can get word out to the point where there will be a line of people at Customer Service returning their cards!"
Great idea, but one drawback - most sane people don't really care that much.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
The name of the Dominick's Store manager is Victor Karlson - These events began to unfold last October 6, 2007 around 10:27 a.m. when Mr. Terry D. Rogers, Chief Investigator for Dominick's finer Foods, Inc., located on 711 Jorie Boulevard, MS 4325, Oak Broak, IL 60523 (Phone 630/891-5474 - Cell 630/688-2821 - Fax 630/891-5470 - terry.rogers@safeway.com), approached a group of people gathered to pray. Mr. Roger requested that we move from the site due to "liability issues". He also claimed that several complaints has been filed in regards to protestors at the vacant lot…. I couldn't help to notice that Mr. Rogers had a police badge and upon my inquiry he stated that he was a retire police officer.
We requested time to move the chairs, signs, but Mr. Rogers requested we move everything asap or faced arrest. Just minutes later and around 10:41 a.m. Sgt. Woods came to the sidewalk and took several pictures. … Sgt. Woods stated that signs could not be around the sidewalk and he began to inquire about a larger sign and further explain the signs could only be hold by a person and place down on the sidewalk if the person was resting from holding the sign.
Seconds later Officer Gallardo with badge # 230 accompanied by Officer Zegar (#288) requested that (a person) to stop walking up and down the road and in front of the clinic. As this person prayed and chanted walking up and down the road. Others inquired if this new rule applied to any other person walking to the Dominick's store and Mr. Gallardo said "no" if a person goes to Dominick's to make a purchase and walks back after making this purchase this rule does not apply.
Mr. Gallardo warned that (this person) or any other person from our group walking continuously up and down the road was going to be arrested. As we inquired for a business card, Mr. Gallardo pointed that Sgt. Jim Boatman (#424) as the Sergeant in charge. Sgt Jim Boatman reiterated that in fact any person walking on the side of the clinic was going to be arrested. He added that we needed to walk on the other side of the street and next to the empty lot. He also explained that the Dominick's is required to file certain documents with the city in order to request people to vacate the site.
11:28 a.m. Mr. Terry D. Rogers came outside and called me. He stated that vacating the lot was a legal procedure and until such was acquired from the City we could return to the empty lot until further notice.
I understand that instead of filing a request with the City of Aurora, Dominick's rushed to rent a fence. I noticed that this fence is dangerously close to the road. Does this fence violates any safety ordinance in Aurora? Now that pedestrians can't walk on either side of the road, do we walk in the middle of the access road?
I called Dominick's (877-723-3929), to cancelled my "Fresh Values Card" and express my dissatisfaction. Upon finding the store in question, the customer service representative mentioned that he was intructed to read the a statement to me: “…The fence was installed solely as a safety measure to insured the safety of the general populous.”…no comments.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Yeah, all those "boycotts" by fundies really put a dent in Disney, too. Keep up the good work, guys. LOL.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
I'm sorry to say I'm not surprised, and I'm wondering if Safeway/Dominicks weren't the ones to sell Planned Parenthood their lot? Does anyone know? If this chain cares so little about human life, do you really trust their food supply anyway?
October 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
"If this chain cares so little about human life, do you really trust their food supply anyway?"
Soylant Green is people!!!!!
October 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Obstacles can also be opportunities. I suggest that we add fence decorating to the rally on October 27th.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
I agree, there is a need for a sidewalk. Do you know if a permit is required to place the fence. If so, does the City of Aurora issued a permit for this fence and do you know if it has been inspected or notice has been posted. Also, I did not know that City employees worked night hours to inspect. If so, who pays them or is it at the expense of tax payers?
In addition, my liability concerns comes from the precarious state of the fence and how closely it sits to the road. I ponder, I don't think that this is legal. My concern is how this could happen in the United States. In law, there is a principle called "Servidumbre" which is in English means: a property easement that affects the domain of real estate, limiting some of the rights inherent in the ownership and forcing the owner of the property to allow one or more third parties, under the same, to engage in certain activities like walking to a destination using the right of "servidumbre" to avoid the use of roads driven by motor vehicles.
Usually, a barrier, wall, etc, has to be constructed within a distance from the street, further, the City of Aurora should have ownership of land from the edge of the road up to a number certain distance.
I am going to request apologies from the readers. I am so sorry, and please pardom my nonsense. The problem about my wanting to make sense of this matter, is that I was raised in Panama, a third-world country, that distrus PP (known as APLAFA) and has rejected the "generous" monetary offers of the UN to make abortion legal. I believe that the last proposal of the UN was met by massive demonstrations and therefore rejected by a lanslide. Did I mentioned that the Senator that proposed this measure is in serious trouble with his constituants.
Most of the property rights is based on the right that a person is entitled to access a property on certain basis.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
"Obstacles can also be opportunities. I suggest that we add fence decorating to the rally on October 27th."
Better bring extra money so you can post bail.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Hey guys, do you think Dominicks had to aquire a "special use permit" to put up their fence?? Sorry, I couldn't resist. I also believe that a fence wont hamper what the Lord has called us to do. Our God is bigger than any fence. FOM I just want you to know that its easy to spot a person who is hurting inside. Lots of times they mask their hurt with anger. I will pray that God speaks to your heart. In fact maybe He already is…. Just a thought.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
" FOM I just want you to know that its easy to spot a person who is hurting inside. Lots of times they mask their hurt with anger. I will pray that God speaks to your heart. In fact maybe He already is…. Just a thought."
Yes, and a silly one. Don't be jealous of people with brains who can think for themselves. Isn't envy a sin? Repent before it's too late.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Hey, Becca,
You listed Christian Cliches 4, 5 and 15
4. "SALVATION IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY SORE SUBJECT FOR YOU - YOU ARE SO FULL OF HATE AND CONTEMPT"
Your arguments against born again fundamentalism make sense. I'll have to change the focus of our discussion.
5. "SOMEONE IN THE CHURCH MUST HAVE CAUSED YOU A GREAT DEAL OF HURT FOR YOU TO FEEL THIS WAY"
You couldn't have possibly left Christianity just because you studied the Bible and you think you found inconsistencies and errors in it.
15. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU.
I can't imagine that you have ever prayed you unregenerate twit. And even if you do pray, you are not a born again Christian so you probably don't pray very well. I am saved and I can pray much better than you. God will probably answer my prayers before he answers yours.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
Frank–
Yeah, you're right. That Montgomery Bus Boycott that launched the modern Civil Rights movement and the career of MLK, for example. What a waste of time that was.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
Yo, Erin, please post evidence that ANY fundy boycott has ever worked. Thanks.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Internet Primer 101:
Sometimes particularly popular message boards and websites will become targets of attacks by those who disagree with the basic premise of the board. Here's how it works. A contrarian posts a particularly inflammatory post with the goal of derailing the thread (this is called this trolling.) The other participants then become so focused on replying to the inflammatory post that the entire thread devolves into a messy name calling game. To diffuse a trolling attempt you only need ignore the troll. Eventually after unsuccessfully trying to gain attention they will simply leave.
*Keep the discussion ON topic
*Encourage debate not attacks
**Do not feed the trolls**
Thanks, Phil
October 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Great advise Phil, it is a much better read and plan to ignore FOM and Frank then engage them and there nonsense.
Jerry K.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
"Respect for human life find an ultimate expression in the bond of love the mother has for her child"
Justice Kennedy, Carhart vs. Gonzales, the law of the land. We will win.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
In this day and age where you can get millions for spilling hot coffee in your lap it was only a matter of time for a giant corporation to stop the protest. With all the rallies there imagine if somebody tripped and hurt themselves. Dominicks was just trying like any other corporation would to save itself from a suit. Victor is a good man who I know that store donated to the last baby shower so any anger directed at the local store is completely misdirected. Also there is quite a bit of vacant land across New York Street next to the bank and down by the gun range in which a possible rally can be held.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
Shame on Dominicks.
That vacant lot has been there for how long?
Any adult or child could have gotten injured on their property.
They werent worried about their liability until planned parenthood voiced their opposition to the pro life people who have been peacefully assembling there.
We will not be shopping at Dominicks unless they have a change of heart.
No one deserves the torturing and murder which goes on in the abortion mills, especially not the defenseless, innocent human beings who deserve the same right to life as the rest of us.
And this is what pro choice people call a womens right?
We must never cease to pray that all women will realize that abortion is degrading and dehumanizing and in the end strips a female of all self respect.
A child is a gift from our Creator.
October 12th, 2007 at 10:46 pm
Shame on you Dominicks for caving into PP. I turned in my Fresh Values Card tonight. Seeing the fence reminds me of one word:
Auschwitz!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fence or no fence…LIFE will prevail!
October 12th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
To Anna,
Regarding permitting and ordinances on fences, I found some Aurora ordinances that apply to fences in general and chain link fences in particular. These ordinances need to be looked into further by someone like Vince Tessitore. The point you made about "the precarious state of the fence and how closely it sits to the road" is very important. The location of the fence along the access road forces pedestrians walking into the Dominick's shopping center to be too close to the vehicular traffic on that access road. This is a far, far greater liability issue that needs to be raised to both Dominick's/Safeway AND the Aurora City Council. I urge Aurora residents to please bring this up to the City Council. Take photographs, get legal help.
And now, the quotes pulled from the Aurora City Code,
APPENDIX A: ZONING:
SECTION 4. USE REGULATIONS
4.2. Permitted Uses & Structures
4.2-4.6. Sight Triangle.
Within fifteen horizontal feet (15’) of intersecting property lines at public streets, walks, driveways, bike paths, or walking paths, fences shall not exceed three (3’) feet in height, whether solid or open fencing is used.
4.2-4.17. Vacant Lots. No fence shall be permitted to be constructed on a vacant lot unless said lot is immediately adjacent to a property occupied by a building or buildings and under common ownership (contiguous lot under single ownership).
4.2-4.19. Fences in the Right-of-Way. No fence, wall or other similar screening material shall be erected or maintained in any public right-of-way except those fences, walls and other screening material erected for the purpose of insuring the public safety by a public body having proper authority.
4.2-4.23. Non-residential districts.
A. Fence height. The maximum permitted fence height is six (6) feet. Fence height when used for the purposes of screening is increased to eight (8) feet pursuant to
the Landscaping and Screening provisions contained in the Landscaping section of the Bulk Restriction.
The following ordinances are from SECTION 7. RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS — and may or may not apply to the Dominick's fence:
7.3-3. Fence and Wall Regulations
7.3-3.2. Prohibited Materials.
A. Temporary fences, including snow fences shall be prohibited in residential districts, except when required by City regulations or by the Building Code for
construction or excavations.
B. Chain link is prohibited when adjacent to and viewed from a public right-of way.
For purposes of the fence regulations an alley is not considered a public right-of-way.
C. Slatted Chain Link.
Slatted chain link fences shall be prohibited in residential districts.
7.3-3.3. Placement on a lot.
Fences may be erected up to, but not over property lines, and shall also be setback a minimum of one (1) foot from all public sidewalks.
7.3-3.5. Fences adjacent to driveways (Obstruction Triangles).
Where a fence abuts any driveway, an obstruction triangle measured fifteen (15) feet along the property line and fifteen (15) feet up the driveway shall be
maintained for any fences over three (3) feet solid or four (4) feet open.
October 13th, 2007 at 2:17 am
The above zoning ordinances can be found at:
http://aurora-il.org/communitydevelopment/planning/ordinance.asp
October 13th, 2007 at 2:20 am
Charles, you mentioned closing your Chase acct. That is a good idea for another reason. Chase is on the boycott list of contributors to planned parenthood. So we know where their loyalties lie. Personally,I haven't shopped at Dominicks for about twenty years now because of another dispute, but this reaffirms my resolve. I am a very loyal customer when the service is good. I am also very loyal to a boycott.
October 13th, 2007 at 3:44 am
"Great advise Phil, it is a much better read and plan to ignore FOM and Frank then engage them and there nonsense."
"advise"? "there"? "read and plan"? Did any antichoicers graduate from high school? Sure doesn't seem like it.
October 13th, 2007 at 6:29 am
"Sometimes particularly popular message boards (which this isn't, btw) and websites will become targets of attacks by those who disagree with the basic premise of the board. Here's how it works."
Dishonest, close-minded poster begins to lose the debate. Dishonest, close-minded poster, ashamed and humiliated, lashes out, STEALS someone else's definition of an internet troll, posts it, and urges fellow debate losers to ignore the debate winner(s). This results in dishonest, close-minded posters talking incoherently among themselves. Bereft of any potentially successful arguments, dishonest, close-minded posters then, unsuccessfully trying to save face, knowing they have lost, but pretending to have won by ignoring the arguments that soundly defeated their absurd assertions.
Ignoring one's debate opponents is, at best, a chickenspit tactic, IMO.
VIVA Planned Parenthood! My money and my kid go to PP! Hooray!
October 13th, 2007 at 6:45 am
"Also since the southern sates have been so successful in ridding themselves of abortion why don't we copy their style."
Um, there are clinics all over the southern states. R v W is the law EVERYWHERE.
October 13th, 2007 at 6:47 am
While I don't like what Dominick's did or how they did it, I can see why they want to limit their liability. To get rid of that concern, maybe someone should try to lease the land from them for a minimal amount. They shouldn't want much money since they aren't making any money with it now anyway. The key would be that their liability would be lifted. Of course, the liability would fall on the new owner. Just a thought that Eric's team may want to run with. In the mean time, I plan to let my local Dominick's know my feelings on this.
October 13th, 2007 at 6:50 am
Hey Phil - read this: We welcome a free and open exchange of ideas on this blog, from all points of view…
Maybe you should focus on why your side (not just here) is losing the abortion debate and not on trying to silence the winning side. Talking (muttering) to yourself can't be very fulfilling.
PP will be opening several other "mega-clinics" around the country in the next few months. Aurora's facility is the prototype, the model for many more such clinics which will be springing up all over the landscape of this great nation! Try ignoring THAT reality.
October 13th, 2007 at 6:53 am
"Shame on you Dominicks for caving into PP. I turned in my Fresh Values Card tonight. Seeing the fence reminds me of one word:
Auschwitz!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Comparing the abortion of blobs to the murder of the Nazis' born, living victims is reprehensible. IMO. And the extra "!!!!!!!!!!!!!" doesn't make it any less despicably contemptible.
OTOH, maybe Dominicks will be forced to shut down their billion dollar corporation due to a half dozen people turning in their Fresh Values cards. *snicker*.
Or not, you were probably just clogging up the aisles, looking lost, anyway.
October 13th, 2007 at 7:02 am
"then become so focused on replying to the inflammatory post that the entire thread devolves into a messy name calling game."
Hmmmm, YOU seem to be the one calling names, which I guess makes YOU the troll. Oooooops.
October 13th, 2007 at 7:05 am
Frank
You certainly get all riled up about this blog. Get a life!
October 13th, 2007 at 7:32 am
"You certainly get all riled up about this blog. Get a life!"
Ooooooooh, Kathi, that was original. NOT. I'm not riled at all, just having fun by refuting lies of the fundie misogynists. Since my success at that clearly upsets you, maybe you should take Phil-troll's advice ("advise") and ignore me. If you're not too busy burning your Fresh Values card.
October 13th, 2007 at 7:38 am
I agreee with Kathi - Frank has too much time on his hands. He sure has a disproportionate number of posts on this thread. If he thinks we're all wasting our time then why is he following us so closely?
October 13th, 2007 at 7:47 am
My wife and I have put together a short letter for the Dominick's management, we'll deliver it with our fresh values card today. Grocery stores have a particularly thin profit margin so we might actually see some traction even with a small boycott. However it's key that we let Dominick's know our position especially in writing. If we all do this I think we have a pretty good chance of seeing this fence come down.
-Phil
October 13th, 2007 at 7:48 am
"If he thinks we're all wasting our time then why is he following us so closely?"
"following" you? Get over yourself, please. I am (and have been for a long time) a major Planned Parenthood supporter. Financially, hands-on (IRL), and on the occasional message board. I'm having fun, sorry if you guys aren't. Well, not really.
The losing side usually doesn't have fun.
And PP is winning, in Aurora, and across the country.
Btw, I type about 100 wpm, so you don't need to concern yourself with the number, length, or frequency of my posts. Focus on the content.
Oh, yeah. You can't, because that would be a slam dunk win for me. Sweet.
October 13th, 2007 at 8:02 am
"If we all do this I think we have a pretty good chance of seeing this fence come down."
Having had direct contact with Dominick's corporate HQ, I KNOW you have no chance of that. The fence stays.
Or, you could resort to typical antichoice violence and knock it down with your Hummer. But that would be wrong. As if you care.
October 13th, 2007 at 8:05 am
We now have two Kathi's blogging. I wasn't #49.
October 13th, 2007 at 8:57 am
The phone number for Winona Redmon, Dominick's public affairs (630-891-3000) does not appear to be a good number. Has anyone else gotten through?
October 13th, 2007 at 9:05 am
I think I just saw someone call a woman a misogynist. Silly, but not surprising.
I would remind all that personal attacks will not be tolerated on this blog; those whose egos are invested in getting attention here would do well to avoid phrases like "fundie misogynists" and "typical anti-choice violence."
October 13th, 2007 at 9:06 am
I also called Brian Dowling, Public Affairs VP for Safeway Corporation. Though it is a Saturday, I thought that the number looked like Safeway's main number and I would at least be able to leave a voicemail. This phone number (925-467-3000) however keeps ringing without anyone answering.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:11 am
Frank, Your tone through out this blog is very typical of what we prolifers have come to know of your side.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:13 am
I just went to Safeway's website, and we do have the listed contact info for Brian Dowling:
5918 Stoneridge Mall Road, Pleasanton, CA 94588
Tel: 925-467-3000
October 13th, 2007 at 9:15 am
"I think I just saw someone call a woman a misogynist. Silly, but not surprising."
If you are referring to post 50, no one called any particular woman (including the OP) anything. Please go back and read it again.
"I would remind all that personal attacks will not be tolerated on this blog; those whose egos are invested in getting attention here would do well to avoid phrases like "fundie misogynists" and "typical anti-choice violence."
While I well understand why those phrases might offend you personally, using them in a general sense about an unspecified group is hardly a personal attack.
Nevertheless, since this is *your* blog and you get to make the rules (which I agree are reasonable), I will TRY to avoid those terms in the future.
I am sure you will apply those rules (and give similar lectures) to those posters who support your position also, right? So far, you haven't.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:23 am
Found this on Citizenlink.com.
With the mess that is going on with our Illinois budget, perhaps we will be blessed enough to have our abortion mills shut down thru lack of funding!
Planned Parenthood Will Close Five Michigan Clinics
Planned Parenthood of West Michigan and Northern Michigan is facing a combined 40 percent cut in state and federal funding this year, prompting the closure of five clinics. Facilities in White Cloud and Hart closed Monday; centers in Grand Rapids, Muskegon and Mount Pleasant will close by the end of the year.
"It is good news because Planned Parenthood is America's No. 1 abortion provider and promoter," said Pam Sherstad, director of public information for Right to Life of Michigan. "Women deserve better than Planned Parenthood."
The reduction stems from changes in how the state allocates money. Under the new formula, funds are distributed according to the percentage of recipients below the poverty line. This year, Planned Parenthood will receive $1 million in state and federal funds, down from $1.7 million last year.
Sherstad said there are more than 100 pregnancy and adoption centers in Michigan serving women — centers that are not run by Planned Parenthood.
"We do have the resources in Michigan to help women who are faced with an unplanned pregnancy," she said.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:26 am
"Frank, Your tone through out this blog is very typical of what we prolifers have come to know of your side."
Which Kathi are you?
It is not surprising that well-researched, articulate, HONEST posts and comments are anathema to you.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:28 am
It is great to see that people are contacting Dominick's to voice their concerns. From, reading this thread, however, it is unclear whether anyone has talked to the people at their Corporate office, other than Eric's earlier conversation. It suspect that others have tried but have not been able to reach them. While it is nice to drop off your card at the local Dominick's word of this simple protest might not make its way back to the corporate office (where it is likely that the decisions are made). I suggest that we focus on reaching the Corporate people - and not just the PR people. Their Business Ethics Hotline is at 1-866-239-1376 or email address at business.ethics@safeway.com
Eric did give the correct phone number for Safeway's corporate office. In this day and age it is amazing that they didn't at least have a recorded message. It is: \
Safeway Inc.
5918 Stoneridge Mall Road
Pleasanton, CA 94588-3229
Phone: 925-467-3000
Mr. Steven Burd , CEO
Mr. Robert L. Edwards , CFO and Exec. VP, and
Ms. Larree M. Renda , and Chief Admin. Officer,
October 13th, 2007 at 9:33 am
When I read Frank's responses I have to say I vision a immature, spoiled, nasty, miserable little boy, with a equally nasty grin on his face. Kind of how Satan would look like as a child. Murdering human beings in the womb is not God's way. So pray as you might, your evil talk to God reflects like a mirror off of Him, only to ensure your damnation. Repent my friend, God will not be mocked. And if you have more to say against the saving of those innocent humans in the womb, you are futher garranteeing your demise.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Hey guys I just wanted to let you know that Yreka Christian Fellowship (CA) has gotten wind of what's going on & were praying! I'm gonna tell my Mom to boycott Safeway & see if we can't get others involved (I'm 13).
Take heart in the fact that Planned Parenthood is persecuting you. That means your really annoying them!
Love From California
October 13th, 2007 at 9:43 am
Guess who uttered these words: "Those who have no love for children are swine, stocks, and logs unworthy of being called men or women."
Do you think this was the mad drivelings of some medieval Pope? No, it was Martin Luther, founder of the Reformation. Joining him as pro-life proponents were other Protestant leaders: John Calvin, John Wesley, Robert Dabney, Charles Spurgeon, A.W. Pink, Zacharius Ursinus, Heirnrich Bullinger, Cotton Mather, Herbert Leupold, Johann Keil, Franz Delitszch, Matthew Henry, Adam Clark and John Machen - to a name a few.
So, Frank can go on how he loves and supports the murder of innocent children, and fences can be built, roadblocks can be formed, laws can be passed, etc. It all boils down to the same thing…we are less than human, something horrible, contemptible, ugly and vicious, if we think there is any reason at all to validate the bloody holocaust of the unborn.
Frank, it's time to become a man and raise yourself up from the mental muck that you wallow in. Abortion is murder….period!
October 13th, 2007 at 9:46 am
Yes I have images of Frank too as a spoiled little boy who doesn't know a thing about what he's talking about. And to say that you think abortion is okay? God have mercy on you! I also just thought of something:
Anyone besides me notice that abortionists are 100% alive?
And why do they support pro-"choice" (The appropriate word is murder but they use choice to make it look better) when their Mom's were pro-life?
October 13th, 2007 at 9:52 am
Hey Eric! Time to start enforcing the 'no personal attacks' rule please! There are some serious temper tantrums occuring.
I can disagree while remaining civil. Others apparently can not.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:55 am
The typical email address at Safeway appears to be firstname.lastname@safeway.com. (However, sometimes presidents at companies have a different address since they don't want unsolicited email from the "rabble.") Therefore, it appears that the important email addresses are:
Steven.Burd@safeway.com - CEO
Robert.Edwards@safeway.com - CFO
Larree.Renda@safeway.com - Chief Admin. Officer
Brian.Dowling@safeway.com - Safeway's vp of public affairs)
Winona.Redmon@safeway.com (Dominick's public affairs)
terry.rogers@safeway.com, Chief Investigator
October 13th, 2007 at 9:58 am
Frank if you were so civil you'd join a group that agrees with you. Just the fact that you're here shows us that what we're doing counts. And no matter what you say to me or anyone else that's what we think. Oh, yeah & if you expect your remarks to start making me cry because I'm just a teen think again. I'm saving every single one to show all my friends so they can see how horrible you guys really are over there & they won't get abortions.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:03 am
I'm not sure of the zoning ordinance but the fence was put up within the easement along the main roads. The drive in front of PP is private so I don't know if any easement exists. No matter, winter is coming and if it snows the fence will have to be moved back to allow for snow plowing. If anyone lives in the 9th ward you should contact your alderman Leroy Keith, I sent an email to all aldermen requesting they look into the Mayor's decision to issue a occupancy permit to PP and voice my disapproval of the Mayor's decision. Here is his reply…
I would not normally respond to an e-mail from a resident of Aurora who does not live in the 9th Ward. Not because their voice is not important but because I believe that the matter should be discussed with the responsible Ward Alderman. However, because I have made it a point in my life to follow the laws that govern our behavior, and believe that everyone should be held accountable for violating those laws, I will offer these brief comments. First of all you have stated that you are not a lawyer, and neither am I. Of course Alderman Lawrence hangs awning for a living so I am not sure he would qualify as an attorney. What Alderman Lawrence and many others have failed to mention is that the area where PP has been built was a Planned Development District. That zoning basically becomes the controlling zoning ordinance and unlike an area that is annexed into the city under and normal B-2 zoning, which expires after 20 years, an area annexed into the City under a PDD never expires and runs with the land. As was noted in one of the attorney's report the PDD is the controlling zoning and in this case no Special Use Permit was required. Alderman Lawrence and the rest of the council agreed that we would follow the results of the independent investigations. We have two such investigations that were completed and both are virtually the same. Just because we might not agree with the results doesn't mean we can look somewhere else for another answer. Our Corporate Counsel (yet another attorney) has reviewed the matter of zoning and she has also opined that a Special Use permit was not required. We pay her good money to review the matters of the City and issue her opinion. Again, just because we don't agree with her doesn't mean she is wrong. Some people want to imply that there is some sort of conspiracy here but I beg anyone to give me reason to believe that. What would be the motivation? What would be the benefit? If anything, I would think that the easy decision would have been to keep them closed and just make them sue us, but that would not have been the right decision nor the fiscally responsible decision. Some residents of Aurora have way overstated the authority of the Mayor and the Council on this issue. That is a slippery slope attempt to make certain elected officials look bad. Most people are intelligent enough to recognize that and have dismissed those accusations. Those that have not are either blinded by their hearts or beliefs, or are a part of a small group of people with their own personal agenda.
I can only ask that you try to put aside your beliefs and your natural instinct to listen to your heart and objectively look at all of the facts. Start with the 1973 Supreme Court ruling and end by knowing when an occupancy permit must be issued. Remember that PP has rights that are not only protected by the Supreme Court ruling but by our very own ordinances. The Mayor made a decision that he knew would not be popular with many people, but he also knew that it was a decision he was legally required to make. I am sure if you ask the two attorneys on the Council they will tell you the same thing. The question is, will you hear what they say.
Leroy Keith
Alderman, 9th Ward
October 13th, 2007 at 10:04 am
Thank you for clearing that up however someone did state that we have a right to protest which we are being denied.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:09 am
"Frank if you were so civil you'd join a group that agrees with you."
How silly.
"Oh, yeah & if you expect your remarks to start making me cry because I'm just a teen think again."
I have no idea who you are or what you are talking about. Sorry.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:12 am
Kirk,
The email addresses are a blessing!
If we can get all of our friends and family members to email these people at Safeway, they just may start to take the boycott seriously.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:12 am
"Therefore, it appears that the important email addresses are…."
Thank you.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:13 am
Thought I'd stated it. i'm a 13 yr. old from CA. I go to church & ever since I was 7 I've been disgusted by abortion. In fact I'm so digusted that while we lived in North Dakota I went on several Walks For Life. I won't state how much I raised becasue my Mom would kill me but it was a lot.
in fact I'm so disgusted that I'm going to be a lawyer when I get older & bring down Roe V. Wade.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:16 am
Hey Cassandra–
I'm a 37 y/o woman in Sacto and got just one thing to say to you:
ROCK ON GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 13th, 2007 at 10:19 am
T you rock too! In fact anyone who supports Pro-lifers rocks totally!
October 13th, 2007 at 10:23 am
POST #68 "…and when their Mom's were pro-life?"
Or when our mothers were ready for children perhaps.
POST #67 "we are less than human, something horrible, contemptible, ugly and vicious, if we think there is any reason at all to validate the bloody holocaust of the unborn."
On the contrary that is excatlly what makes us human. God gave us both the ability to create and destroy. And after every atrocity on this planet in recorded modern history (including the holocost) I haven't seen God intervene once….have you?
Honestly it is unbelievable to me that anyone who protests at this clinic to save human lives and does not protest the end of all wars and human suffering is nothing but a hippocrit.
ALL HUMAN LIVES ARE EQUAL
God should be judging humans…not humans judging humans.
Did Jesus or anyone else for that matter teach an eye for an eye?
October 13th, 2007 at 10:56 am
Frank—If calling us "misogynist fundies" without high school diplomas who are prone to violence isn't a personal attack, then neither is it a personal attack for one to describe the sort of person brought to mind by your tone as a spoiled brat, etc.
That said, I consider both lines of comment inappropriate, and if they don't cease, I'll shut down comments on this post.
October 13th, 2007 at 11:08 am
I would like to see a national boycott started against Domicks and Safeway, in response to their latest action. Think we (pro-life organizations,) need to move against these companies that support planned parenthood, and hit them in the pocketbook. That's one thing we CAN do.
October 13th, 2007 at 11:10 am
"Dominick's erects fence under cover of night"
What are they afraid of? They're going to lose a lot of business this way…
"I haven't seen God intervene once….have you?"
If he did intervene than we would never know it because the bad thing that he stopped never happened.
October 13th, 2007 at 11:12 am
Is the rally still on for the 27th? With all these things going on it sure seems like there is no room in the inn for them. There is plenty of vacant land across NY street behind the bank.
October 13th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Leviticus—See the note at the end of the post, above. No, the fence will not disrupt the October 27 Rally. There will be several different activities going on, none of which depends on using the vacant lot.
The Rally will go forward as scheduled!
October 13th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Alderman Leroy Keith pleads:
"I can only ask that you try to put aside your beliefs and your natural instinct to listen to your heart and objectively look at all of the facts. Start with the 1973 Supreme Court ruling and end by knowing when an occupancy permit must be issued."
I remind Alderman Keith that these are probably the same arguments used in the infamous Dred Scott case, whereby the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Negroes were not human enough worthy of Constitutional protections and should remain slaves. March 3, 2007 was the 150th Anniversary of the Dred Scott case.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2932.html
Apparently the Supreme Court of 1857, then beholding to slave owners, "put aside" their beliefs, their "natural instincts" and proclaimed that slaves were not "citizens' and thereby not protected under the Constitution.
The activist Supreme Court of l973, beholding to political correctness and feminist pressure, in effect, did the same thing. They proclaimed that the unborn are not human beings, not citizens and therefore not protected under the Constitution.
Watch out for people who think that we can "put aside" our beliefs and our protests against a unjust law that violates the very foundations of our Constitution, forced upon us by a corrupted Supreme Court that defrauded future generations out of their "right to life."
It took 186 years to rid this country of slavery. It may take the same amount of time to rid ourselves of legalized infanticide ! Onward to victory we march.
October 13th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Everyone truly needs to ingnore the negative attacks by the few who try to draw attention to themselves.
This blog is very valuable to the life of the innocent human beings that we are fighting for, and we dont want to see it ended because of a few.
We need to support Eric and his work 100%, because he is doing Gods work.
October 13th, 2007 at 11:30 am
"This blog is very valuable to the life of the innocent human beings that we are fighting for, and we dont want to see it ended because of a few."
Are there "guilty human beings"? Or non-innocent human beings?
I thought Jesus taught us to love not fight…at yet you are "fighting" for these innocent human beings.
Why not love PP and the people who work there? Isn't that what Jesus would do? What would Jesus do…
I'm pretty sure during the age of his persucution by the Romans and the Jews Jesus did not start boycotting and picketing. No instead he stated that the way the Romans were living was wrong…he voiced his opinion to anyone who would listen…and next thing you know he had many followers of his great teachings.
He voiced his opinion just as most of you are doing here in this forum. I hope and pray that you keep at just that…please let God judge those who you believe to be wrong and immoral. Then we can still all live and exist peacefully, right?
October 13th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Johnathan, Jesus also encouraged his followers to sell their coats & buy a sword to defend themselves while they were preaching.
Yes even though I hate to admit it we should love PP.
And earlier you said we should be protesting all human slavery. One thing at a time! We'll bring down abortion then move onto other issues but we can't do everything at once!
Oh yes & Frank all your comments do is inspire me more then ever to stop abortion. Thank you.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
It's so amusing that you all think a few people boycotting a major corporation will accomplish anything. I sincerely doubt they give a crap if you never shop there again. But, if it makes you feel warm, fuzzy and holy, go for it.
Planned Parenthood is a fantastic organization and I support them fully. In fact, I'm donating 5 cents for every protester who shows up at one of their clinics in the next 40 days. They've already raised over $1000 thanks to you folks.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
"Oh yes & Frank all your comments do is inspire me more then ever to stop abortion. Thank you."
You are welcome. I know many, many prochoice men and women who felt like you do when they were your age. With age and maturity viewpoints often change.
(Although if you need me to inspire you, perhaps your dedication/resolve is already wavering.
Don't obsess over me, focus on the issues.)
October 13th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
"It's so amusing that you all think a few people boycotting a major corporation will accomplish anything."
No kidding. I boycotted Domino's for years and they're still slinging out the same crappy pizzas.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Frank I know what I know. I also know that God wants me to bring down Roe v. Wade & I'm going to do it. People that change to pro-murder view points area actually quite immature I'm sorry to say. I know little kids that are more mature.
PS Dee. It's not just a few people. Over here in CA I'm getting a lot of people involved. Anyone notice what's been happening to Ford? They supported the wrong view point & now they're getting bushwacked. I dread to think what will happen to Safeway a food company.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
"(Although if you need me to inspire you, perhaps your dedication/resolve is already wavering. Don't obsess over me, focus on the issues.)"
No I'm already inspired; you just inspired me more.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Jonathan,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
If hope that I am not misrepresenting your comments by summarizing that you are suggesting activities should be confined to places such as this website rather than protests at PP. You suggest that this is the way Jesus preached. What you suggest, however, is that we stay here and merely "preach to the choir." The message would never reach those who might go to PP for its "services." Jesus, contrary to what you seem to be suggesting, went from town to town preaching (often to unreceptive audiences). Jesus wasn't always passive. When he saw wrongs, he consistently spoke out against them. Jesus in the Temple was far from being passive.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
"People that change to pro-murder view points area actually quite immature I'm sorry to say."
If you make it through high school, if (not when) you make it through a 4 year college, and if you get into law school, please write in your exam book that abortion is murder. Be prepared to receive an "F".
"Anyone notice what's been happening to Ford? They supported the wrong view point & now they're getting bushwacked."
That is untrue. Other companies are currently making better quality vehicles. As a GM owner, I know this. If you are talking about the attempted American Family Assn. proposed boycott against gays and Ford, all studies show that it has failed miserably. It has not hurt their business at all. Please try again.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
"No I'm already inspired; you just inspired me more."
Cool. Take your best shot. Maybe you'll do better than the generations of antichoicers who have tried (and failed) before you.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
This is one thing I really hate:
Pastors that bend head over heels to not offend anyone. They don't say anything about abortion:
If they say it's wrong they offend Planned Parenthood.
If they say it's right they offend us. So they just don't talk about it. I on the other hand have a habit of offending people simply because I'm so outspoken (I think it's my Irish Swiss-German heritage). I think I've trained my brother that way too (The real daredevilish one).
October 13th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
"It's so amusing that you all think a few people boycotting a major corporation will accomplish anything."
I used to work for a Chicago-based corporation that was much bigger than Safeway. If our president got JUST ONE complaint about any subject (believe it or not, the switchboard would put calls through to him and he accepted the calls. The trick for callers was to be able to call when he was in the office, since he was usually either out or in meetings), he did react. He would immediately call my boss and would be very irate that we had a complaint (and then, of course, my boss would call me). Even if we had been doing everything perfectly and the complainer was totally wrong, we ALWAYS bent over backward to satisfy the complainer. I suspect that is the same thing at most corporations.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
I'm prepared to recieve an F. And Ford's sales have dropped 21% last month. It's not anti-choice it's anti-murder & yes I'm going to do better. I'll bring down Roe v. Wade. Unlike other lawyers I'm true to my own sense of right & wrong & I'm not gonna be brainwashed. If your wrong I'm fighting you If your right I'm fighting for you. There is simply no room in my brain for "maybe the pro-choicers (murder) are right." Now if you'll excuse me I wanna try singing Stuck while upside down on a swing. My brother's gonna do A New World. And then we'll have ourselves a nice little Aurora PP protest with almost all 8 of my siblings.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Frank,
It may be better in some cases to ignore oppostion, due to petty attacks and other such instances. However, know that it is only our opionions that differ. I apologize to you if anyone has previously acted in a way that was not loving or thoughtful to you. If we act in hate, or anger to even those who oopose us, then do we really have respect for life, for ALL LIFE? Feel free to openly discuss your views with me, since you are so eager to do so. I am glad you have such passion for something, even if sadly it is for something I do not.
Sincerely,
Meagan
October 13th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Cassandra–
I'm very proud of you and your resolve. I was a history major, with an emphasis in US and Women's history, and I did defend the pro-life viewpoint vocally in a number of seminar classes in which participation affected up to 50% of my grade. In my undergrad, I graduated with a 3.98, with a perfect 4.0 in two minors and my major. In grad-school, I graduated with a perfect 4.0 across the board. Defending what is right, when it is done intelligently and without ridicule, should never result in a Failing grade. Do not be discouraged. Contrary to what some may say, we are intelligent, informed, educated women. And we are pro-life.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
We were at PP today. Many supporters and many opponents. The police were everywhere. They were very respective of our protest. They were truly there for safety. The fence if nothing else was a stunning backdrop, or red flag to bring attention to the situation. I'm sure many pro-abort blogs will flash the pictures and speak of our "resolve". The fence rekindled our resolve.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Kirk, keep your little fantasy that a corporation like Safeway will go out of business (or even change a minor policy) because a handful of people no longer shop there.
Cassandra, you keep your fantasy that you will someday overturn Roe v. Wade.
I'll live in the real world, thanks, where legal abortion is here to stay.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Greg-was there a protest today? If I had known I would have shown up, like I do at every protest and as often as I can to pray.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
"If we act in hate, or anger to even those who oopose us, then do we really have respect for life, for ALL LIFE?"
Finally someone else who shares my sentiments and have heard my earlier laments…
Everytime I have to read a post that uses the word "fighting" all I can think of is the Crusades. When I have to see pictures on this website and see people holding flags resembling those held by the Knights Templars I think why?
Why fight when you can love?
Why feel anger when you can be at peace?
October 13th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Dee-
Yeah that "real world" where blacks were allowed to be enslaved and segregated and babies are murdered by their mothers while still forming in their bodies. How great that "real world" seems to be that you seem to be so supportive of. Maybe someday they'll treat you like 3/5 of a human being or better yet maybe somebody will just call u a "blob of tissue." Maybe then you'll care about the human race. Maybe not. I'll pray for you.
Elizabeth
October 13th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
"Yeah that "real world" where blacks were allowed to be enslaved and segregated and babies are murdered by their mothers while still forming in their bodies. How great that "real world" seems to be that you seem to be so supportive of. Maybe someday they'll treat you like 3/5 of a human being or better yet maybe somebody will just call u a "blob of tissue." Maybe then you'll care about the human race. Maybe not. I'll pray for you."
Here's a tissue…..
October 13th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Johnathon-
I don't know if you are aware or have even been to any of the Aurora PP protests, but all of them are peaceful. No violence, just prayer and sign holding. I respect all people's opinions not just my own. I do not hate people who are for abortion, or even have anger for them. I just pray that there hearts will one day see what I already know.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Don't worry, Frank. I don't need a tissue. I never had an abortion or enslaved people, so I don't have anything to feel guilty or even cry over. You may want to offer some to those young girls who are killing their babies though. They'll need them more than I will.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
"You may want to offer some to those young girls who are killing their babies though. They'll need them more than I will."
Despite your poorly disguised desire that women suffer, most women who terminate pregnancies have little or no remorse. Just relief. Those who have emotional problems later almost always had them before the pregnancy. And they should get counseling for their underlying issues.
And if you know someone who is killing 'babies' please get off the computer and call the police. Killing babies is illegal.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
"I do not hate people who are for abortion, or even have anger for them. I just pray that there hearts will one day see what I already know."
Another great post…thank you Elizabeth.
I start to feel defensive when I read posts regarding boycott this store and boycott that business. I get defensive for the people who want nothing to do with this and are being needlessly affected by it. Although I do not believe that any of the larger companies can be shut down, in the hypothetical case that they did imagine the innocent people who are being affected by this…
Again who hear can call themselves a Christian and subscribe to the thought of, "an eye for an eye"?
October 13th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Frank, I have no disguised desire for women to suffer. I don't want anyone to suffer, but I know that they will. And just how do YOU know that "most women" don't suffer or have remorse for an abortion? Do you know "most women" or are you just lumping all women together? Better yet do you even know what an abortion is like for a woman? Or maybe you just know every woman who has ever had an abortion and can speak first-hand for all of them. Well in that case, I applaud you cause I'm sure you're a pretty popular guy.
Elizabeth
October 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
"Common Sense says: Guess who uttered these words: "Those who have no love for children are swine, stocks, and logs unworthy of being called men or women."
Do you think this was the mad drivelings of some medieval Pope? No, it was Martin Luther, founder of the Reformation. "
It's odd how Mr. Luther's other opinion about women, which is far less flattering to him, always manages to be mysteriously omitted:
"If a woman grows weary from child bearing and at last dies, it matters not. Let her die from bearing, she is there to do it. "
A little honesty from the prolife side would be appreciated, but at this point, I know better than to hope for it.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
"Despite your poorly disguised desire that women suffer, most women who terminate pregnancies have little or no remorse. Just relief. Those who have emotional problems later almost always had them before the pregnancy. And they should get counseling for their underlying issues."
Frank
Frank, I agree. I know several women who decided to get an abortion in the past. They don't have any psychological problems or deep feelings of guilt as a result. While they regretted the fact that their BC failed, which resulted in an unwanted pregnancy, they were all relieved that the option of a safe, legal abortion was available to them.
I'm glad that this fence went up to protect the women who go to PP. They deserve and need protection from the prolifers that claim to have their best interests at heart, but really do not. If they truly wanted "counsel" from prolifers, they'd seek it out for themselves.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
"Don't worry, Frank. I don't need a tissue. I never had an abortion or enslaved people, so I don't have anything to feel guilty or even cry over. You may want to offer some to those young girls who are killing their babies though. They'll need them more than I will."
-Elizabeth
Obviously, the law disagrees with you and the prolife movement on the "killing their babies" definition of abortion. I'll feel a lot safer going to PP now that this fence is there to protect us from the unwanted attentions and so-called prayers from prolifers. And I heartily commend Dominick's for taking this courageous step.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
"The law" has disagreed with a lot of things. At one point, it disagreed with many people's view that slavery was immoral.
October 13th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
"Dee - Yeah that "real world" where blacks were allowed to be enslaved and segregated and babies are murdered by their mothers while still forming in their bodies."
-Elizabeth
Elizabeth, you may be completely unaware of this, but many of the slavemasters in the South before and during the Civil War were CHRISTIANS.
But to get back to the topic, I can't thank Dominick's enough for putting this fence up for us. Now women who want contraception to avoid the burdens of unwanted pregnancy, and an abortion in the event our BC fails will be able to get those services safely, without dealing with the annoying and threatening behavior of prolife demonstrators. I'm referring all my prochoice friends to shop there.
October 13th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Ocean-
Obviously the law doesn't protect our right to free speech even though it protects women's rights to kill their babies. Seems a little backwards to me. Those women don't need protection from pro-lifers. There has not been one incident of pro-life people being aggressive towards women going into this clinic. We just sit there and pray. We don't harrass them. They put the fence up there because they don't like our message. Free speech only applies when you agree with Planned Parenthood I guess. How's that for "law." Can't wait to see how you all feel when you have something to say about something you don't agree with and the "law" says you can't. You're all for our speech being silenced, but if it were your's, then there's a problem. Sounds like some hypocrisy to me.
Elizabeth
October 13th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
Was there a protest today? If I had known I would have shown up, like I do at every protest and as often as I can to pray.
Hi Elizabeth- I can't speak for all at PP today- but there were quite a few of us gathered to pray the Rosary in honor of the 90th Anniversary of Fatima and the Miracle of the Sun. This is being celebrated today throughout the world- people everywhere were gathering on Public Squares at 12 Noon united in Prayer for Conversion.
A Blessing though for sure was the empty PP parking lot! By God's Grace- what is always a busy day (Saturday) at abortion clinics- today was quiet. A lot of cars in the employee lot so I can only assume through the fruitful prayers of many- these young decided to seek alternative care…..our hope & prayer indeed!
Jane
October 13th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Ocean- I am aware of that. But I wasn't a slave owner and I am a christian so what is your point? A lot of people used to think slavery was okay. Maybe some still do. A lot of people think abortion is okay. I don't happen to be one of them.
October 13th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
The law has allowed many injustices to be perpetrated against those without any politcal power. It takes counter-culturally minded people to stand up and speak for those who can not speak for themselves.
A fence is not going to stop anyone from continuing to stand up for life. Rude comments are not going to stop anyone from continuing to stand up for life. Name calling certainly won't stop anyone from standing up for life.
It took over 200 years, from the time the first settlers arrived until the Emancipation Proclimation, for slavery to become illegal in this country. Abortion has only been legal for 34 years. Our generation may not see justice accomplished by changing of the law. Future generations will.
But every time one person chooses to give life instead of death, our efforts are worth it. Every time one woman finds the help she needs to bring her baby to life, and every time a scared and worried woman is given the support and care she needs to feel safe in her pregnancy, our efforts are worth it.
Legal or illegal, there will always be women who feel their only choice is abortion. And there will always be others to try to help them see they need not be forced to abort by circumstances. Help is available and will be given. That is our message. We are here to help. We will do whatever we can to assist you and help you choose life. We care about you and your baby. We care about your life and the life of your baby. We are sort of like the Underground Railroad of the modern times.
We have nothing monetary to gain here. We have nothing material to profit from our stand (unlike the abortion industry, I might add).
So those commenters here that feel the need to demonize us, just know you have no impact on us. We are committed to the pro-life cause, not for our own benefit, but for the benefit of others, and that can not be crushed by ugly words.
October 13th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Wow!! With all of the trouble Dominicks has experienced over the past few years with store closings..etc….I sure don't understand why Dominicks would want to alienate consumers. I will be giving back my "fresh values" card but I intend to keep my "Godly values". Dominicks no longer has to worry about me "tresspassing" on their property. My mistake!!
Eric, we are praying for you and we honor the stand you have taken. May the good who sees hearts reward you and your family.
In Christ,
Pastor Pam Kacys (former Dominicks customer also)
Christian Fellowship Church
4220 W. 59th Street
Chicago, Illinois
October 13th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
"So those commenters here that feel the need to demonize us, just know you have no impact on us. We are committed to the pro-life cause, not for our own benefit, but for the benefit of others, and that can not be crushed by ugly words."
Renee…Are you really the speaker for FAPP?
October 13th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Father Corapi, one of the most,if not the most fantastic speakers of our time, speaks about the topic of sin. He quotes the Catholic Catechism as follows:
"Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins commited by others when we coorperate in them:
-by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
-by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
-BY NOT DISCLOSING OR NOT HINDERING THEM WHEN WE HAVE AN OBIGATION TO DO SO;
-by protecting evil-doers."
Abortion(murder of the innocent in the womb) is a "sin that cries to heaven." Gen 4:10 The catechism says we have a moral obligation to speak out against it, not to be afraid of offending anyone who supports it and show the love of God to them, and the love God has for THEM. Peace.
October 13th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
From Wikipedia:
In 1998, the chain's then 116 stores were acquired by Safeway Inc. Safeway soon began to push Safeway private-label products and eliminated local known brands. According to Jim Hertel of grocery consultancy Willard Bishop Consulting Ltd., "Dominick’s focused on purchasing produce and meat on quality first, price second. Safeway did just the opposite."[4] Dominick's lost market share and profits following the Safeway takeover. Between 2002 and 2007, Dominick's market share in the Chicago region declined from 24.4 percent to 14.5 percent. Jewel-Osco's 40.5 percent is the market's leader.[5] During labor negotiations in 2003, Safeway unsuccessfully attempted to sell Dominick's,[6] and reported Dominick's financial information as a discontinued operation,[7] but, more recently, Safeway announced that it was retaining the chain.[8]
After closing more than 20 stores since its acquisition, Safeway announced in February 2007 that it would close another 14 stores in the Chicago area and convert 20 existing stores to the lifestyle format.[9] After the store closings, Dominick's operates 83 locations.
I believe the takeaway from this will be: Does Dominick's want to add another store closing to their list? It' clear, the Aurora community is not happy with this store's presence - after this latest stunt. It's doubtful that people will go out of their way to shop at a supermarket, but those in the local community will certainly avoid one; especially when their actions disagree with the will of the local community.
October 13th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Cassandra says: "Yes I have images of Frank too as a spoiled little boy who doesn't know a thing about what he's talking about. "
Interesting that the rules state: any views expressed on this blog are required to be polite and non-attacking. The above post certainly looks like attack language to me. Just making an observation.
October 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
Wow!! With all of the trouble Dominicks has experienced over the past few years with store closings..etc….I sure don't understand why Dominicks would want to alienate consumers. I will be giving back my "fresh values" card but I intend to keep my "Godly values". Dominicks no longer has to worry about me "tresspassing" on their property. My mistake!!
By allowing protestors on their property, Dominicks was alienating pro-choice customers. I guess they would rather have pro-choice shoppers than pro life ones.
October 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
J.M.J.
Leviticus Jackson aka Steve Trombley
Who are you kidding?…you don't sound pro-life
First, you said you didn't like the TRUTH pictures, aborted baby/Face the Truth pictures and you don't want them used at the rally?….. (on the previous blog)
Now you say that we should have our rallys in the field behind the bank?….
October 13th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
I find it interesting to read some of the featured articles on this website using terms such as…
"abortion fortress" and "prayer warrior"
So every protest that FAPP does has been peacefull correct…than if they are promoters of peace and the saving of innocent lives…I'm not sure I fully understand the use of war terminology. Are these words good representation of FAPP? FORTRESS and WARRIOR…
October 13th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Beause this is SPIRITUAL warfare. We do not fight flesh and blood but principalities and powers. It is a war!
October 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Renee,
Would Jesus promote war…of any kind?
October 13th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
"Would Jesus promote war…of any kind?"
Of course not. But jesus and many of his professed followers are polar opposites.
October 13th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
What an ugly eyesore that fence is. It actually looks quite fitting next door door to that other ugly eyesore known as PP.
I will no longer be shopping at Dominicks and will encourage other to quit shopping there too.
How can any woman vonuntarily lye down on the gurnee and lift thier knees to submit themselves to the murder of the blessing they carry in thier womb?
October 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Frank and Johnathan. You obviously do not know Jesus. He said it would be better that you have millstone tied around your neck and be cast to the bottom of the sea then to hurt one of his little ones.
October 13th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
"Frank and Johnathan. You obviously do not know Jesus. He said it would be better that you have millstone tied around your neck and be cast to the bottom of the sea then to hurt one of his little ones."
Good thing the fetus belongs to the woman and not to jesus. When jesus gets pregnant, he can choose.
October 13th, 2007 at 4:51 pm
"Are these words good representation of FAPP? FORTRESS and WARRIOR"
Yes.
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter againster her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household." Matthew, 10:34-36
October 13th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
I apologize, Jonathan, I can't take the time right now to address spiritual warfare and the role of Jesus in the fight against evil. I am making dinner for my family, and this could take awhile.
I offer you no disrespect, but this line of questioning is taking us way off the track of the original post, and if you Google "spiritual warfare", you can get some good information there.
Have a nice evening.
October 13th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Johnathan,
Jesus does promote war. A peaceful war. War terminology on this site is used correctly, describing what He called has called us to do. He has called us to be prayer warriors, using our sheild of faith and sword of truth. This is not a physical war, where we are called to injure one another with violence or words.We are called to fight with the truth, and with our faith and most importantly with love. These are our "weapons" or if you prefer to call them, our gifts. If we know it or not we are constantly in a battle between light and darkness. Our job is to do the work of the Father in a peaceful, loving manner. That is where you are possibly having difficulty, seeing how a war should be peaceful as we are called to do. If it disheartens you to use these words, then dont. Do as you are called to by God, for He is the one whose hands your spirit is in, not mans. Hope that helps. God Bless
Sincerely,
Meagan
October 13th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Frank,
I don't know what injury you suffered to cause you such animosity against Jesus, but rest assured He loves you. I am sorry if I caused you any pain. I apologize if I was ill-tempered with you. I do let my temper get away from me at times.
I wish you peace, and all good.
October 13th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
While the fence around the vacant lot is an unfortunate development, pro-lifers can take comfort in the knowledge that God doesn't require the cooperation of Safeway in order to accomplish His purposes. In fact, if pro-lifers cannot use the lot, God's action will be all the more evident when Planned Parenthood closes. It will then be obvious that GOD'S power closed down PP, not OUR work. It is appropriate that we encourage Safeway to rethink their position. But we must continue to keep our focus on a prayerful, loving witness outside PP.
October 13th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
"I don't know what injury you suffered to cause you such animosity against Jesus".
No animosity here, just pointing out that 'he' (real or imaginary) has no vote in a woman's reproductive choices. Neither do you, unless you are the pregnant one.
And, (this is sure to disappoint you), I've suffered no injury either.
What have women done to you to cause you to regard them so poorly and with such evil intent?
"I wish you peace, and all good."
Hmmmm, after reading your other comments, I doubt the sincerity of that.
Inflicting your particular brand of religion on others who may or may not share your beliefs is as bad as attempting to inflict your moral beliefs on pregnant women. Both are wrong.
October 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
I got a "mailer-daemon" for the Winona Redmon address that I supplied earlier. At this point, it appears that all the other Safeway emails are good.
October 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
I do mean I wish you peace and all good. I also apologized for the tone of my previous comments, if they caused you offense.
I harbor no ill will towards women, and if you read through these threads and my other comments, you'll see that.
And pardon me if you think I am forcing my religion on you, but you did come to this site, one that has the pro- life beliefs clearly stated as it's purpose.
I take no offense at you attempting to inflict your moral beliefs on me. Jesus is real, and His love is there for you whether you believe it or not.
Again, I wish you peace, and all good.
October 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Oh, and Frank, I am a woman, and fully believe in the dignity and power of women. I don't like to see them exploited for profit, and I don't like them used as sexual objects. You really should take the time and read some of the older comments and see that there are many women here who are fignting for women's rights for informed consent, as well as real health care, and support and caring through the difficulties experience in an unplanned or crisis pregnancy.
October 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Samantha said:
"…By allowing protestors on their property, Dominicks was alienating pro-choice customers. I guess they would rather have pro-choice shoppers than pro life ones."
Actually, most merchants don't advertise their personal views about the issue. They would like pro-choice, pro-life, and even space aliens to shop at their businesses. That's why its surprising they would show any kind of stand at all.
As far as liability, the fence doesn't free them from any liability at all. The strip of road between the lot an PP is split between them. As a matter of fact, by limiting the area that counselors can stand in, and they will continue to be there, they may have inadvertantly increased their risk.
October 13th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Frank,
I should have been more charitable with my words. I am sorry they were so harsh. Jesus who loves you, said, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." Jeremiah 1:5. He is a merciful God, he said,"Let no soul fear to draw near to Me, even though its sins be as scarlet. My mercy is so great that no mind , be it of man or angel, will be able to fathom it throughout all eternity." God is merciful, but He is also a just God. Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.(Cf.Mt 25:31-46) To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."(catholic catechism) That is why I said, "Repent my friend…" I wish for you to come to know Jesus, your creator, and open your eyes to the truth, that all life is sacred and nothing justifies the killing of an innocent "little one" in the womb. Peace be with you.
Karen
October 13th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Dee says: "Kirk, keep your little fantasy that a corporation like Safeway will go out of business (or even change a minor policy) because a handful of people no longer shop there.
Cassandra, you keep your fantasy that you will someday overturn Roe v. Wade.
I'll live in the real world, thanks, where legal abortion is here to stay."
Dee, Regarding your above quote, you may think we are just a handful of people, but you may have to think again!
There have been well over a thousand at the pro life rallies, there were at least 700 young people at the youth rally (these are the youth who are wise to planned parenthood, and do not want to be targeted by them}, for every person attending a rally there are hundreds of thousands praying along with them.
Add all these numbers up, throw in family members, and friends who will support a boycott of Dominicks.
I would call this more than a handful.
It may be hard for pro choice people to believe, but there are many, many people who have morals and consider abortion the murder that it truly is. There are compassionate people who shutter at the thought of a tiny baby being ripped apart in the place where they should be the most safe, in their mothers womb.
Norma McCorvey (Jane Roe of Roe V Wade) who was the main focue of this evil law, herself is now pro life, and has rallied against abortion. She realized what an atrocity this law is, not only to the unborn baby who is being tortured and murdered, but also to all females who are duped into believing this is a right or choice.
Abortion is degrading to all females, and strips them of all self respect.
So, if Jane Roe herself is trying to get Roe V Wade reversed, yes, there is a huge possiblity that this law will be reversed.
In the end good will always overcome evil.
October 13th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
Ouch! Guess I spoke too soon on keeping Dominicks out of any boycott. Amazing how the deeds planned and done in darkness come into the light. I say full speed ahead on a NATIONWIDE BOYCOTT OF SAFEWAY AND DOMINICKS. The sheer logic that more live people (not brutally murdered) consume more of their products eludes them because the Big Bad PP wolf is breathing down their cowardly necks just like the spineless mayor and most council members. I'm praying that our awesome, all knowing, all powerful and all loving God will close this killing factory down in whatever God chooses. There are many distractions to our mission to pray, fast, trust, and peacefully act to defend women and their children in danger. Let's keep our focus on them and less on those determined to take us off the battlefield for life.
October 13th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Renee Says:
"Oh, and Frank, I am a woman, and fully believe in the dignity and power of women. I don't like to see them exploited for profit, and I don't like them used as sexual objects."
Great! I fully believe in the dignity and power of women too. Given the above, you should not mind giving women the power to decide for OURSELVES whether or not we WANT to get and/or stay pregnant. Which means admitting that we have the right to use contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancy, and if a woman decides it is necessary for her, the right to safe, legal abortion if her contraceptive method fails.
It boils down to this; you stay out of MY sexual and reproductive choices and I'll stay out of yours. Fair enough?
October 13th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Jonathan said: "I thought Jesus taught us to love not fight…at yet you are "fighting" for these innocent human beings."
Jesus also said that "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword." Now, that verse is problematic but I've always thought that it meant that Jesus thought that fighting injustice was just. Fighting (through non-violent means) the injustice of the abortion mill is just. Fighting in this sense means protest, political pressure, and presence.
Don't feed the trolls (and Jonathan isn't the troll I'm thinking of).
October 13th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Frank,
I will only respond to loosley spoken lies once. This is a fantastic blog and will continue to be cause I will be skipping your future posts. I blog for honest, rational discussion.
You post outright lies.. For example you posted that a baby in a pregnant mother is just a blob in the womb. You may be living in your reality of some kind, but everybody else knows she/he is scientifically proven to be a life with ears, eyes,nose, mouth, toes, a beating heart and a brain. You waste the time of women and everyone else who would give credence to your posts.
October 13th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
"You post outright lies.. For example you posted that a baby in a pregnant mother is just a blob in the womb."
Since I did not post that, you are the liar.
October 13th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
And back to the main purpose of this post. Please, besides turning in your fresh values cards. Let corporate know. Thanks again Kirk for those addresses
Steven.Burd@safeway.com - CEO
Robert.Edwards@safeway.com - CFO
Larree.Renda@safeway.com - Chief Admin. Officer
Brian.Dowling@safeway.com - Safeway's vp of public affairs)
Winona.Redmon@safeway.com (Dominick's public affairs)
terry.rogers@safeway.com, Chief Investigator
October 13th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Ocean, I have a question for you. Do you believe the scientific proven truth that a fetus is a human being growing from the moment of conception, with its own DNA and blood system?
Karen
October 13th, 2007 at 9:03 pm
"'You post outright lies.. For example you posted that a baby in a pregnant mother is just a blob in the womb.'"
Since I did not post that, you are the liar."
Post 11. "11. Frank says:…MY jesus loves abortion and born women and doesn't care that much about unborn blobs."
Post 47. Frank says:"… Comparing the abortion of blobs to the murder of the Nazis' born, living victims is reprehensible. IMO."
October 13th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
"Ocean, I have a question for you. Do you believe the scientific proven truth that a fetus is a human being growing from the moment of conception, with its own DNA and blood system?"
Since that is your opinion and NOT 'scientific proven truth' (whatever that is supposed to mean), your question is meaningless.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
"'You post outright lies.. For example you posted that a baby in a pregnant mother is just a blob in the womb.'"
Since I did not post that, you are the liar."
Post 11. "11. Frank says:…MY jesus loves abortion and born women and doesn't care that much about unborn blobs."
Post 47. Frank says:"… Comparing the abortion of blobs to the murder of the Nazis' born, living victims is reprehensible. IMO."
Thanks for proving my point. I didn't say what Paul2 claimed. Good job.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
Frank, You must have taken biology at some time in your education. Then you should know the facts of the development of a human fetus in the womb, right?
October 13th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
While it is disappointing Safeway put up a fence, I would just like to say how I feel. I am thankful they have let us use their property for past events and I don't feel they "are against us". I think that they are a buisness and they are making a move that they feel is good for their buisness. I am not angry at them, I will not boycott them, nor will I throw my card at them. What I WILL do is continue to go out to PP and pray. Ephesians6:12 "We wrestle not against flesh and blood. (Safeway, The Mayor, Steve Trombley etc)but agaisnt the spiritual forces of evil. For those from PP on this site leaving comments I once had a hardned heart toward abortion also, but God touched my heart and changed my thoughts and beliefs. You think it's ALL about the baby but it's not. The babies, every one of them are made whole in heaven. It is the broken woman left here that God cares about. He wants to touch their broken hearts and make them whole again.
Peace to everyone !
October 13th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Ocean- if you believe a woman should choose for herself whether or not she wants to be pregnant…then MAYBE..just maybe..she should choose NOT to have sex if she doesn't want to get pregnant. But I guess it is too much to hope for people to have some conviction and not have sex if they don't want a baby. But why should they? They can just have the baby suctioned out of their body if they get pregnant. Maybe women should grow up and take some personal responisibility and realize that being able to have a child is a gift, not a choice.
Elizabeth
October 13th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
I need to apologize to the Mayor and the council members for my uncharitable remarks on this blog. I am sorry. It isn't my life that depends on your decisions but so many others most of whom cannot speak for themselves. It is disheartening to see elected officials choose the path of least resistance and forsake their vow to uphold the common good and clear the way for so many Aurora children to die a horrific unnecessary death and their mothers to be saddled with the lifelong pain of having been exploited by the lies of a misguided and truly evil organization (Planned Parenthood). I don't know what it will take for you to reconsider your decision but we are praying for you. Unlike the children, you can speak and ask questions and seek the truth. Unlike the mothers who are deceived by the falsehoods of PP, we have been honest with you so you would know the ramifications, spiritually, physically, emotionally, mentally, socially and financially of granting occupancy to this facility. As was said in the last council meeting, spiritually, this is objectively a matter of mortal sin which places one's soul