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Aldermania! Live blogging the City Council meeting

Posted by Eric Scheidler on Tuesday, October 9th, 2007

Outside City Hall Oct 9, 20075:30 p.m. Here's the scene outside City Hall, where scores of pro-lifers are joined by scores of police officers picketing the mayor. If you look very closely you can see the three Planned Parenthood supporters down the sidewalk.

6:25 p.m. In response to muttering from concerned tax payers over the expense of renovating Mayor Weisner's office, which Alderman Lawrence was questioning, Police Chief Powell stood up and told everyone to be quiet or be kicked out. Then he said, "Do you understand what I'm saying?"—and of course nobody said anything because he'd just told us not to talk!

It was amusing. Unfortunately I was not quick enough getting out my camera for a shot of him shushing us like a spinster librarian.

7:15 p.m. I just delivered my remarks, which you can read here [PDF]. Before public comment began, the Council again voted to restrict remarks, this time to a mere two hours. Alderman Keith, not surprisingly, proposed this move. All voted in favor except for Lawrence, Irvin and Kifowit. God bless them.

After the vote—after it, mind you—Mayor Weisner offered some remarks to the effect that we were lucky they were letting us talk at all, since all we've done is repeat ourselves. At one point he used the phrase "according to the ordnance," and I must confess I laughed out loud, along with several others—Mayor Weisner being guided by an ordinance!

Council listening, or a close approximation7:30 p.m. Vince Tessitori is now speaking. He began by noting that the thing that popped out to him about the reports was the "utter lack of an investigation," with statements form the reports themselves to back it up that observation. He called for the City Council to ask the Zoning Administrator for his analysis of the situation, which has never been heard.

7:25 p.m. Roger Earl addressed his comments solely to the mayor, remarking that apparently the aldermen are irrelevant. "I mean no disrespect," he said, "but that's the position you're in."

Roger brought forth a most fascinating quote from the August 28 City Council meeting, an exchange between me and Mayor Weisner:

Eric Scheidler: I'd like to know about deadlines, because it seems to me just in the couple in the couple of weeks we've been looking at this . . . I find it hard to believe that this independent investigator will be able to do an adequate investigation in the space of just a few short weeks . . .

Mayor Weisner: Well, well, I don't agree with that at all, I think that we have a public record, we have staff available to be interviewed at the least bit of notice, so I disagree with you entirely.

What's so fascinating about this exchange is that it's clear from both the Luetkehans and Martens reports that staff were not interviewed. In fact, the Martens report suggests that such interviews were explicitly excluded from the scope of his investigation as defined by the Mayor.

Really. You couldn't make this stuff up.

The people7:30 p.m. Elizabeth Earl recounted for the mayor and city council the 3,500 yard signs distributed around the area, the 1,500 Aurorans who lined New York Street and Galena Boulevard during Sunday's Life Chain. She assured the Council that these thousands would not forget how the Planned Parenthood matter was handled on election day in 2009.

7:50 p.m. Gay Braun and Bonnie Grabenhoffer just got up to oppose a parental notification law. None has been proposed yet. Apparently we are in danger of killing our daughters if such a law is passed.

I look forward to bringing all six of my daughters into the City Council once the parental notification ordinance is on the table. And I look forward to walking around the neighborhood with all six of them during the 2009 campaign reminding voters where the mayor and aldermen stood on the parental notification issue.

8:05 p.m. The chain of pro-life speakers has resumed. Right now Diane Picciuolo is telling the mayor that she no longer trusts him. She voted for him. She used to think he's a nice guy. But now she sees that he is damaging this City. She is outraged that the mayor has never called any kind of hearing where the people could hear what the Council thinks about all this.

8:15 p.m. Dennis Duehning has just delivered an amusing anecdote about an organization called Happy Homes that declares "every woman has a right to a happy home." The idea is that women bring their husbands—who are in various ways making their homes unhappy—to Happy Homes and there dispose of them.

It was quite funny—he refers at one point in the story to the protesters who are causing trouble; don't they know that "every woman deserves a happy home"? Good stuff.

8:15 p.m. Tess Foral, 10 years old, just received a standing ovation for talking about how when she lies, she doesn't get what she wants. She asked the mayor if he wants to teach her a different lesson, that it's okay to lie. She concluded: "Mr. mayor, I'm asking you to do the right thing and close the Planned Parenthood clinic now."

8:20 p.m. Nakia Whitney, a black woman, is focusing on the mayor's use of the words "small minority" to describe the number of Aldermen who objected to "investigator" Richard Martens (in fact it was a quarter of the City Council, and sources say that at least one more alderman was considering objecting too before the mayor caved). She segues from that into the marginalization of minorities and the grim experience of minority women with abortion. Very impassioned speech. I hope Shakita Hart-Burns was listening closely.

8:40 p.m. The remarks have really become focused over the last half hour or so—it's all about Mayor Weisner's betrayal of our trust, the corruption of this process from the beginning, the remaining need for a real investigation into how Planned Parenthood duped the city.

Wanda Geist has just responded to Weisner's opening comment about our repetitiveness. She said the reason we keep coming back is because justice has yet to be done. She concluded, "We'll be back in two weeks seeking justice. And we'll be back in a year and a half seeking justice," a reference to the 2009 election, as I read it.

8:45 p.m. Bruce Sutcliff: "You don't need a lawyer when you have the leader of Planned Parenthood saying that they tricked you on national TV." Bruce assured the mayor and aldermen that we will hold them accountable at the next election, and concluded: "We will demand of our leadership that they fear God, that they care about this nation and about the unborn."

Matt and Brenda Davies8:50 p.m. Brenda Davies just recounted some of Margaret Sanger's racist statements. Best of all, she outright accused the Mayor of having been backing Planned Parenthood from the very beginning—that, she says, is why he was so eager to get them open under cover of a mock investigation.

8:55 p.m. I just can't type fast enough to get down all the good stuff here. Here's a great line from Matt Davies, after he quoted the First Amendment: "Apparently these words mean nothing to some seated before me as their actions spoke much louder than the words in their empty promises and broken oaths to office." Golden.

9:00 p.m. James Graddis: “The only choice we’re being given is whether we want our planned parenthood protest signs in English or Español.”

9:10 p.m. We're getting close to the end of the two hours that Aldermen Keith, Elmore, Schuler, Garza Peters, O'Connor and Beykirch have deigned to allow us. Remember those names on April 7, 2009. (Don't worry, though—I promise to remind you.)

The Mayor just piped up to ask whether comments began at 7 o'clock. The Clerk said 7:10, but someone called out 7:20. The Mayor replied, "Well go ahead then," and a couple more speakers were called up. It's 9:16 now, so we're getting a few precious extra minutes.

9:20 p.m. Public comment is now ended. The Mayor is now offering some remarks. I am listening to them from the vestibule; I simply could not stomach sitting there and watching him lie and obfuscate to our faces again.

But actually I'm not listening. He's not really saying anything. More bluster. He's claiming that he's just the "chief administrator of an administrative office" and also that he has spent time working in a third world country and caring for a disabled child. He's asking how many of us have adopted any children.

It's really something else. You'll have to wait for JT Eschbach's video to be posted to see for yourself.

9:25 p.m. Weisner is still pontificating. Several other people have walked out of the room. It looks like he's trying to compete with the Chief of Police for the Finger-Wagging Award.

9:30 p.m. The mayor has finally concluded, and everyone is filing out. Another eventful City Council meeting.

See you October 23!

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108 Responses to “Aldermania! Live blogging the City Council meeting”

  1. Tara says:

    Eric,

    Is the Emperor Weisner there? Or is he out "sick" again.

    Tara

    October 9th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
  2. Kevin Roesch says:

    It is sad that the mayor's name may be known for all time in Aurora, just like Pontious Pilot has been known for all time.

    Kevin

    October 9th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
  3. Brian says:

    Eric,

    Your doing a great job. We voted the wrong mayor in.
    As Pro-lifers need to vote a Pro-life one in. Mr.
    Weisner is not doing a good job is our Mayor at all.
    Now since he got voted in our City is getting worse.
    Let's keep up the great work on trying to shout this
    Planned Parenthood down. Mr. Powell as our City Police
    Chef is doing a great job. Mayor is not going to have no
    chance in reelecting him for mayor again. He's on his way out the Mayors office soon.

    October 9th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
  4. Maureen says:

    First council meeting that I am missing because I am sick. How I wish I was there, even the police dept. turning on the mayor. What more does the city need to start a removal of the mayor from office. PP you don't know what you are facing, we continue to be energized. Thanks Eric for keeping us in touch.
    God bless

    October 9th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
  5. Eric Scheidler says:

    Yes, Emperor Weisner is here. So pay up, all you who bet he wouldn't show! (I happen to know that two aldermen had such a bet—for $2.)

    October 9th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
  6. Ryan Avery says:

    Keep praying for peace and that God's Will be done for His Glory faithfully. In memoriam: Saint Therese of Lisieux and Mother Teresa, may we also focus on The Lord Jesus to live and take action in small deeds with His Charity, Great Charity for Him, His Most Sacred Heart, His Immaculate Heart of His Mother Mary which will Triumph and as we approach the 90 Year Anniversary of Our Lady of Fatima! :)
    Have Mercy on Everyone, for Jesus tells us that those with the greatest sins are the ones with the greatest rights to merit His Divine Mercy which we pray in the Chaplet of Divine Mercy focusing on His Divine Mercy Image giving ourselves in gratitude for God's Will and to suffer all for God in memory of the souls in Purgatory and the Faithful Departed. Ora Et Labora.
    The Lord God Is With us And Loves us His Children! :)

    October 9th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
  7. Mary Sue says:

    It is sad that the mayor lacked the courage to do the right thing for the city and the people of Aurora and the surrounding community. It is up to us to keep up the pressure and not give up the fight, to keep praying and fasting, because God is a God of Righteousness and HE will hear our prayers and petitions! Remember, our God is an Awesome God!!!

    October 9th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
  8. Anastasia says:

    I'm sorry I can't be there tonight either! I was signed up to speak but couldn't make it (though I wouldn't have made it anyway b/c I'm not from Aurora and would be far down the list!) Thanks for all you're doing Eric (and for thinking of us and posting notes from the meeting) and keep up the good work!

    October 9th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
  9. Tara says:

    Eric –

    I owe you money. I thought he would bolt!! To much heat.

    Tara

    October 9th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
  10. Andie Groff says:

    Dear Eric,

    I am so proud of the commitment that you have made to be sure that this horrible situation is put to a stop. I have been a supporter of FAPP since I learned about it, and have been out to the vigil site on numerous occasions. I have a baby, and in order to care for her, I have been unable to come to city council meetings and rallys…however, I want it to be known that since this whole fiasco began, I have put my house up for sale and have moved my BUSINESS out of Aurora. I will not tolerate allowing my tax dollars, both personal and professional, to be used in such a manner that promotes MURDER. My company is now located in Yorkville.

    This is something I have been doing for two months now, and would like to see this type of action by all of the FAPP supporters out there. I have STOPPED shopping, eating, and patronizing ALL Aurora establishments in order to be sure that not one single penny of mine goes into the pocket of this pitiful excuse for a mayor, Tom Weisner. I will no longer get my hair cut, visit any restaurants, drop off my dry cleaning, grab a coffee, order a pizza, purchase home furnishings, landscaping or any other item in the city of Aurora. My money is now going to local shops and restaurants in the Oswego and Montgomery villages so that they can benefit from my tax dollars while Aurora continues to approve of this dispicable company called Planned Parenthood. Maybe if all 175,000+ people in Aurora started spending their money elsewhere, Mr. Weisner would wake up!

    I will continue to fight this fight with you and all of the pro-life supporters standing on the front lines every day until this building is shut down and PP is run out of here!

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
  11. Renee says:

    Hey, now there's an idea! I can very easily move all my shopping and eating to North Aurora and Sugar Grove. Thank you Andie!

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
  12. Amy says:

    That is an outstanding idea! I don't live in Aurora but I shop there a lot. NO MORE! Don't forget to let the Mayor's office and the Chamber of Commerce know.
    Amy

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
  13. Jen V. says:

    I am sorry I couldn't be there but I am covering you with prayer! Thanks for keeping us posted – this is great. I pray that God touches the Mayor's heart, that he hears what the people who are speaking are saying, and that PP is shut down.

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
  14. William Whitney says:

    Eric,
    Thanks for the updates. My wife (Nakia Whitney, typed as "Makia Witney") just gave her 3 minute speech and, though I'm not there, I have your update to keep me apprised of what's going on at the meeting. Wish I could be there but the kids need to get some sleep and Kia's a better speaker than I. Grateful for all your work!

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
  15. John Broschka says:

    Great idea to blog for those of us unable to join you in person tonight. Thanks for keeping the pressure on City Hall to listen to our cause and represent our interests.

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
  16. Denise says:

    What is the protocol for recalling an elected official? is that something that can be done here?

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
  17. Eric Scheidler says:

    Denise—There is no provision in the State of Illinois Constitution for recalling a mayor. There used to be, I hear, but it was removed at the last constitutional convention back in the late 60's.

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
  18. Tara says:

    Andie,

    What a bold move. To move your family and business out of Aurora. Your idea of not shopping there is also a good one. I'll have to start doing that. If we really want to have an impact don't go to the Casino or Paramount Theater. This would really impact the dollars!!!

    God bless you and keep you under the shadow of His wings.

    Tara

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
  19. Linda V. says:

    Who can we petition to move these meetings to a larger venue? Who makes those decisions? Thanks!

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
  20. Denise says:

    Awesome idea by Andie Groff!!!

    I too will no longer do any shopping in Aurora and I will be letting the city council and chamber of commerce know (good idea Amy)….it's a way of really getting the message out…they can't go on ignoring us.

    Thank you for all you're doing Eric.

    God Bless

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
  21. Ann says:

    I think Andie's idea is " catching on" and I think it's a great way to let the mayor know "you can't have your cake and eat if too".
    Thanks, too to you Eric for keeping us all updated. This was an awesome idea!
    We're keeping you covered in prayer!

    October 9th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
  22. Megan says:

    Eric,

    Thanks to you and all of the pro-lifers for all of your hard work and sacrifice. You are all in my prayers!

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
  23. Cheryl says:

    I will no longer be shopping in Aurora! What a great idea! I don't live in Aurora but the Mayor's decision will be impacting the surrounding areas. This is a great way for us to show him we don't like the way he's affecting our area. I'll be sure to let them know this too.

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
  24. Jim Murphy says:

    Eric –

    Cynthia and I are sorry we couldn't be there tonight. I am in Ft Lauderdale and watching the blog with great interest. Was Mike Saville there tonight – as the Planning and Community Development Committee head, he has missed every other opportunity to hear from those he has disenfranchised with his less than adequate review on the development project that has now become Planned Parenthood!

    P.S. does the City get any taxes from the not for profit PPH? Gemini was a For Profit organization. I would expect that they would at least have to pay taxes. Quite the bait and switch. Much like the Mayor's promises.

    Thanks for the updates!!! Blessings, Eric.

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
  25. Megan says:

    Is there going to be any media coverage of this?

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
  26. Lizette H says:

    Not shopping in Aurora either. Great idea.

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:14 pm
  27. Denise says:

    Eric
    can you email us all the number to the city council and chamber of commerce so that those that are interested in the boycott can call to inform the city?

    I know some of us don't live in the area and it would be helpful….but only if you have them handy

    thanks

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
  28. Jen V. says:

    My husband just mentioned that there may be prolife business owners in Aurora so think this through before endorsing a full boycott. Definitely boycott businessness that give money to plannned parenthood though as my husband and I have for years.

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
  29. Sue says:

    Eric, this is almost as good as being there. I told my daughter (the young woman you had to comfort at the last pre-council meeting rally) that I wished we had a way to get what was going on in the meeting. Thank you for this.You and the whole movement are definitely being covered in prayer. God Bless You and your family!!

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
  30. Erin says:

    Or alternatively, if people really want to punish the City but not pro-lifers, offer a list of pro-life businesses that we will continue to patronize, while moving our other business out of Aurora. Jen V. is right, it does no good to punish and possibly drive out of business those who are working with the movement.

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
  31. vicky says:

    Is there any way to find out who donates money to planned parenthood? I know Target used to, do they still?

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
  32. Tim M says:

    Eric,

    I'm hoping to be in attendance in two weeks. I would like to suggest the City of Aurora requested that the wrong entity be "investigated" for criminal wrong doing. The people of Aurora deserve to have the FBI "investigate" the Mayor himself for criminal activity. As far as I'm concerned, his single handed decision making is a bad as the dis-honorable former mayor of Cicero.

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
  33. Amy says:

    "he has spent time working in a third world country and caring for a disabled child. He's asking how many of us have adopted any children."

    What does that have to do with this? That does not make it okay to open a clinic where children are murdered. If I do 100 good things it does not entitle me to do a certain number of bad things.
    I have never been to a third world country or adopted a child. I do care for a disabled child. I have been an unwed mother and I have served this country as a United States Marine and I DON'T want Planned Parenthood on my doorstep!

    October 9th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
  34. John Schutzius says:

    Boycotting Aurora business is an ill-conceived idea. I am Pro-Life AND an Aurora businessman. You will find me every moring at 7:00 AM during the week praying outside of the PP facility. Will you boycott me too??? I have an office 2 blocks west of City Hall. By boycotting Aurora businesses you run the real risk of alienating potential supporters. Find another way to express your displeasure, but don't boycott innocent businesses in Aurora.

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
  35. Dolores says:

    J.M.J.

    We sat at our third city council meeting and heard we were not able to speak because we are not from Auora. We listened to the first two great pro-lifers speak. Next there were two pro-aborts, posing they were holy people of God, who did not give an address. After hearing our Lord mocked and ridiculed by these pro-abort hipocrates, we left.

    It dawned on us that the two pro-aborts speaking did not state were they were from.
    It was over heard tonight someone introduce Bonnie Grabenhofer (NOW president of IL) to someone else and they said she was form Elmhurst.
    So, being the nosey person that I am, I went to the White pages website and searched for Bonnie Grabenhofer, and to my astonishment, it has her residence in ELMHURST.

    As Mr. Scheidler said above, she spoke with Gay Braun at 7:50 pm about their objection to Parental Notification. Gee, I wonder if the city knows if she
    LIED about living in Aurora…I bet they would be shocked!

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
  36. Maggie says:

    What was the Mayor's point in asking how many people in attendance have adopted children? My sister and brother in law have been trying to adopt for 9 years! They wanted to adopt domestically and pursued several different "agencies" for SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS. They eventually changed paths and are in the final 6 months of their INTERNATIONAL adoption process. What is the pro-choice logic? If Americans would stop KILLING their babies, these children could be loved and cherished by people who are ready, willing and able to care for them. "Thou shalt not kill." It seems so clear cut to me.

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
  37. Mary Lu says:

    Before we make our shoppping lists for outside Aurora, consider this. Mind you, I have gone back and forth on this. The small businesses will lose their buisiness leaving us with a virtual Pottersville of large businesses. What to do?

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
  38. David says:

    Eric,

    Does Aurora have provision for impeachment? It does seem worth looking into. It may not be necessary to wait the whole 18 months, and it will help to keep people and politicians focused on princlples of American government. :)

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
  39. Penny Garbe says:

    For those interested in acquiring a list of businesses that support Planned Parenthood, go to http://www.fightpp.org. That is the website of Life Decisions, International & they keep track of those businesses. God bless you all for your faithfulness to defending life!

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
  40. Cheryl says:

    About the Mayor's comment, is he implying that this disabled child would have been better off aborted???

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
  41. Roger says:

    Greetings,

    It seemed to me that at the end of the meeting the Mayor was somewhat riled. I think this whole thing has been pretty hard on him, and I am going to pray for him. (Mr. Mayor, yes, I'm praying for you.)

    I think the Mayor is getting a lot of bad advice from his staff and "corporate counsel".

    The mayor is under a lot of pressure, from PP, from FVFAP, from citizens of Aurora, and I bet from his own advisers. Who knows who is pushing what agenda from behind the scenes.

    The mayor did say that he could be wrong in his decision, and said that courts could rule against it.

    I think that the Mayor still has a chance to redeem himself and the city by looking deeper into these zoning rules and regulations.

    But will he?

    God Bless,
    Roger

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
  42. Roger says:

    Cheryl said, "About the Mayor's comment, is he implying that this disabled child would have been better off aborted???"

    Cheryl,

    There was no such implication by the Mayor. The child was his son. He was just telling us in effect "I'm a person too", and has done some good in his life.

    God Bless,
    Roger

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
  43. Mary Lu says:

    FightPP.org has a list of Illinois buisnesses but none of them relate to Aurora from what I could tell.

    Let's divide the city up into precincts and have a business questioning as to if they are pro-life or pro-abort—no fence sitting aloud. Then we compile our own list from that as to who we should boycott

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:43 pm
  44. Mary Lu says:

    I am all for pulling up my yard sign to take and picket in front of the Paramout and Casino when they are open. I personally invite Randy to come along.

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
  45. Mary Lu says:

    And one last thing, I promise, Maybe our huge upcoming rally should be at the Casino/Paramount as well. That would really turn people off from coming out for the day for some old fashioned gaming, you think?

    October 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
  46. Jerry Kalita says:

    Cheryl said, "About the Mayor's comment, is he implying that this disabled child would have been better off aborted???"

    Cheryl,
    I was there tonight and I do not agree with the Mayor and am not a fan, but there is NO WAY that is what he was saying. Roger's explanation was correct.

    Jerry Kalita

    October 9th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
  47. Jerry Nickels says:

    I could not agree with Amy and Maggie more. I understand the mayor is human and has feelings and all of that, but the vast majority of the comments tonight were fair and were not delivered in a way to be taken personally. My sense was that he is feeling the pressure and went over the top in his comments about adoption and having worked in the Peace Corps for five years. I suspect we all applaud him for that, but the crisis at hand is that the city of Aurora is about to become the Auschwitz of the midwest. For a moment it seemed he was taking aim at Christians and was echoing Planned Parenthood talking points, things we always hear from the choice crowd that we pro-lifers do not do enough.

    One other thing about the mayor's experience working in an impoverished country. There was a diminutive woman who devoted her entire adult life working in the poorest of the poor countries, and she came away with the conclusion there was no greater poverty than what we have in the United States with our legalized killing of the unborn. We all know her as Mother Teresa.

    October 9th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
  48. vicky says:

    I have been trying to make sense of Planned Parenthood and the Mayor's actions in the last months and came upon a verse that just described them perfectly. Check out Psalms 55:9-22. May God forgive our nation for allowing this to go on. Thank you to all who are standing against this evil. Do not grow weary, there are so many on this side of the fight standing with you. God help those who have no opinion- if you are not for Him, you are against Him. God bless.

    October 9th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
  49. juli says:

    As a third generation Aurora resident and a third generation Aurora small business owner, I'd like to add a few comments to this blog. I think before we jump on the band wagon headed out of town, we need to consider who a boycot would affect and how. Instead of hurting Aurora, let's do what we can to help. I am not planning on being run out of town by the mayor or aldermen. I want to do what I can to make Aurora a great place to live and raise our children. We can all help. Like Esther of the Old Testament, we were all put here, "For such a time as this". I like what Joe Scheidler said on the CD I listened to from an early rally, "Did PP really know that when they were moving into Aurora, that Eric Scheidler was here?" Or that Mary Ann, or Sue, or Jerry or Vicky or Lynn or Tom or Bruce were here? I don't plan on going anywhere, as Tevye said in Fiddler on the Roof, "We stay here, because (Aurora) is our home".

    We need to remember, like Paul told the church at Galatia, "Do not be deceived: God Cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for a the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up."

    I'm not giving up, let's stand together.
    God Bless You All Abundantly

    October 10th, 2007 at 12:31 am
  50. melanie says:

    Can we e-mail anyone to push to get the mayor out of office for lying?

    October 10th, 2007 at 4:12 am
  51. Carole says:

    I do not live in Aurora. I live in Lisle. I frequent Aurora frequently for shopping and restaraunts. I will NOT spend another dollar in a town that does not have the leadership and be fooled by "Genesis" nor the courage to admit it and stop this slaughter.

    October 10th, 2007 at 6:44 am
  52. Leviticus Jackson says:

    How does running mom and pop small stores like John Schutzius above a good idea? Boycotting stores because the Mayor lied doesn't seem fair. Boycotting stores that give to PP seems more fair doesn't it? For all of you at the vigil hasn't Dominick's been good to you all? I know Target doesn't allow anybody to pass out anything in front of their stores so it wouldn't shock me that they give to PP. The stores in Aurora didn't lie to the people it was the Mayor.

    October 10th, 2007 at 7:33 am
  53. Joy says:

    Eric,
    Thank you for keeping us updated and informed.
    God is obviously showing himself through you. Praise the Lord -How Awesome! My prayers are with you and those who are standing up and fighting to protect the innocent unborn babies.I have not been able to attend however I am constantly praying for the will of God in this matter. I am married with 5 children and there will be seven less people shopping in aurora- At least now the people are a little more familiar with the mayors true character/agenda. Please continue to fight-there are young mothers who are naive as well as vulnerable & trusting when it comes to planned parenthoods agenda. I ask that the members of the community and all those who have heard about these injustices pray for the mothers of these unborn children to recieve knowledge and wisdom. As an mother and an investigator I have seen many miracles and anwsered prayers, I believe the evidence & truth will be shown that is needed in this battle.
    God Bless,
    Joy

    October 10th, 2007 at 7:38 am
  54. Pastor Rick Barnard says:

    Thanks, Eric and all you other Christians, for all that you are doing to fight this evil! I live and pastor in Morris but have been coming frequently with one of our church's deaconesses to both the PP site and to the city council meetings and was there last night. (This is the closest abortion mill to us now – only 35 milies.)

    The Christians that spoke last night were awesome! I told my wife it was like being at church! We had prayer (including prayer on our knees!), singing, timely Bible verses read, and exhortations against evil conduct (The exhortations to the mayor and aldermen remind me of John the Baptist exhorting King Herod! – Mark 6:18).

    God bless you all for standing with Jesus and the preborn children in this battle! Psalms 94:16 & 119:126!! I believe that with God's help we will win this battle in the near future if we don't give up!! Revelation 12:11 & Romans 16:20!!

    October 10th, 2007 at 8:14 am
  55. Becca says:

    I was at the meeting last night. So MANY goood things were said. I am so proud that God has called me out of my comfort zone to stand for life. The last speaker was a Pastor. And I thought what he said was wonderful!! As christians we need to show Christ's love even when we confront people. He proclaimed the truth in love. That's what Jesus did. My stand against planned parenthood is even stronger. Because as we stand for right and truth love has to be our theme. We aren't going to reach them folks without the love of Christ!! And, I have to share this because, it really has stretched me spiritually. I was doing household chores last week and the Lord brought Gay Braun to my mind. He laid on my heart to pray for her. I have to say at first I was reluctant but, I did. All day, when the Lord brought her to my mind I prayed. So, when she got up to speak I prayed the Holy Spirit would surround her, convict her, and break satans hold on her life. And, during morning devotions God brought this scripture passage to me Luke 6:27-36. Read it you will be blessed. God bless you Eric for your stand for life.!

    October 10th, 2007 at 8:33 am
  56. Eric Scheidler says:

    I'm afraid I take a rather more cynical view towards the mayor's comments, though I agree completely with Roger and Jerry that he needs our prayers. I have prayed for him.

    I think the mayor's remarks were calculated to deflect all criticism of his judgment and the reasons upon which he made his decision by pretending that for two hours we had done nothing more than vent emotion and attack him personally.

    There were a few commenters who crossed the line in their remarks to and about the mayor. Just a few— and the last speaker, Pastor Steve Schroeder apologized for their unfair remarks. But the vast majority stayed focused on how the mayor mishandled the Planned Parenthood controversy.

    I had strong words for the mayor. I blasted the three so-called reports. I mused that the Barstanti affair was a deliberate effort to confuse the issues. I said flat out that he made the wrong choice, and I characterized him as siding with Planned Parenthood.

    But none of those is a "personal" attack. The mayor made a bad decision, based on bad reasons and there's every reason to believe he had bad motives, too.

    Tom Weisner might be the nicest guy in town, but that neither justifies his errors as a public official nor deprives us of the right—the duty—to speak out against those errors.

    It is shameful that the mayor tried to use his Peace Corps experience, and even went so far as to bring up his recently deceased disabled son, to avoid taking responsibility for actions that have turned thousands of his constituents against him.

    October 10th, 2007 at 8:49 am
  57. Frank Eder says:

    Eric,
    1. God Bless you in your efforts.
    2. I still believe the neighbors should be questioned
    about wanting PP to be removed or allowed to stay.
    I believe the answer may be important to future legal
    activities.
    3. I was out of town, Tuesday, Oct. 9. I sure missed the
    Council Meeting.

    Regards, Frank Eder

    October 10th, 2007 at 9:26 am
  58. Dennis Duehning says:

    The following allegory was written to show how evil can be wrapped in a catchy slogan and sold to the public. It is mocking PP at Eola and New York. This story was read to the city council last night.

    HAPPY HOMES

    Once upon a time a group of women in New Mayberry were chatting about home life in their town. They concluded that every woman has a right to a happy home. The more they talked, the more adamant they became. EVERY WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO A HAPPY HOME. They decided they would form a non profit corporation and spread this idea. They called the corporation, Happy Homes, Inc. They lobbied their legislators for government funds. After all, who would dare vote against happy homes. They applied for grants from major corporations. Big grants came their way because everyone liked the idea of a happy home. With this tax money and grant money Happy Homes could afford to hire well-paid executives and build a big headquarters in New Mayberry. When the headquarters opened, many people toured the facility and admired the many services they provided the community. The headquarters had an interior decorating department, a landscaping department, a pet department, a photography department, and a heating and air conditioning department. In each department the slogan EVERY WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO A HAPPY HOME was prominent on the wall. However, there was one department called Quick Solutions that concerned some of the religious citizens. It was learned that if a woman was having major disagreements with her husband, they were to come as a couple to Happy Homes and seek counseling in the Quick Solutions department. If after counseling, the woman decided that she could not be happy in the home with her mate living there, she would tell this to the counselor and the husband would be escorted out the back door of the counseling room never to be seen again. Counselors frequently reminded the distressed women that EVERY WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO A HAPPY HOME and they should not let anyone make them feel guilty for making a most difficult and personal decision. This decision was just between the woman and her counselor. This new idea was powerful. EVERY WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO A HAPPY HOME. The executives at Happy Home decided to write curriculum. This idea must be taught to children as early as possible. Guest teachers from Happy Home were invited into the class rooms to drive home the point EVERY WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO A HAPPY HOME. As time went on, some women brought more than one husband to the Quick Solutions department. But they promised to help keep the Quick Solution process safe, legal, and rare. The religious citizens who objected to Quick Solutions were told by the local newspaper that their opposition was causing a lot of unnecessary expense to the city and that they should just move on. They were assured that the Quick Solutions department did less than 10% of the total business at Happy Homes and the many other community services at Happy Homes were desperately needed by the poor. What was the Protesters’ problem? Why could they not agree to the obvious truth: EVERY WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO A HAPPY HOME?
    – Dennis Duehning

    October 10th, 2007 at 10:15 am
  59. Shawn V. says:

    Vicky, Target has not been a target of the Life Decisions boycott for several years. The targets are corporations, such as Microsoft, Disney Time-Warner, JPMorgan Chase, Comcasta and eBay. Visit fightpp.org to obtain a list. I don't see how boycotting Aurora businesses helps. Then we are attacking each other. I understand that their taxes go to the city, but we can't blame business owners for the Mayor's actions.

    October 10th, 2007 at 10:18 am
  60. Dennis says:

    All,

    Please reconsider boycotting Aurora businesses. It will have a negative impact on our community, and will not in any way hurt Planned Parenthood or Mayor Weisner — whose chances at re-election are not exactly rosy. What sense would it make to boycott Dominick's for being a neighbor of PP? What sense does it make to hurt businesses in Aurora? Most residents of Aurora, even those who are not pro-life, wish this had not happened. We got lied to; hurting our business community just makes it worse.

    A boycott would let you feel like you're "doing something," but the "something" isn't going to stop or hinder Planned Parenthood. I think you want a "rifle" — a specifically targeted action, not a "shotgun" that sprays damage everywhere in hopes that some piece of it may hit the target.

    I'd also encourage everyone to remember what the City and the Mayor can and cannot do. We all know the Supreme Court has put abortion on its list of constitutional rights. The City and Mayor cannot change that. If they close down PP, and in court PP can show there was ANY desire to prevent abortion motivating their decision, or prove that the city treated them differently than any other "medical provider," PP will win their case and the clinic will be opened by court order. That's the reality; our outrage at this state of affairs in an allegedly democratic country cannot change it.

    In my judgment, Mayor Weisner has handled this whole matter incredibly poorly. He didn't release the studies. He couldn't find a competent attorney who didn't have a conflict of interest. His corporate counsel can't seem to contribute anything useful. He took the "nothing criminal here, can't speak to anything else" report from the County AG as meaning he had no real choice but to issue the permit. He then issued the permit without even consulting the City Council. Every single one of these things was incompetent or worse.

    But please, let's all make sure we target our words carefully. If the mayor were as pro-life as the day is long, he'd simply ensure a permanent injunction in favor of PP if he did ANYTHING in this matter because of his pro-life convictions. That's the (outrageous) law. He, the zoning boards, and the City Council MUST act on the basis of the lies and omissions on the permit applications, the impact on property values around the clinic, and other "neutral" issues that should/would apply equally to a podiatrist or dental office.

    Moving forward, I encourage everyone to remember that. Yes, we need to hold the City Government accountable. But to have a chance of achieving our goal, we must hold them accountable for how they perform their legal duties — in this case, ensuring that Aurora's open and fair zoning and permit processes are followed by EVERYONE. Holding them accountable for not acting on pro-life convictions would be self-defeating — if they did that, we'd lose in court anyway. Revoking occupancy permits for lying during the zoning and permit processes has a chance in court. Closing them down because they do abortions will simply ensure they get to stay open.

    So let's fight the "they lied on their applications" battle. If we get it shut down (seems unlikely to me at this point, but we can hope and work), great. If not, then it's time for the parental notification ordinance in Aurora (or statute in Springfield?). Let's pick one battle wisely and fight it. Then, if necessary, on to the next.

    Thanks for reading,
    Dennis

    October 10th, 2007 at 10:42 am
  61. Dennis Duehning says:

    Hey, Dennis, please use your last name or last initial so your comments are not confused with mine since we both have the same first name. Great article by the way.

    October 10th, 2007 at 11:04 am
  62. Erin says:

    Dennis:

    Thanks for your well thought out commentary on a boycott. You're right, it would accomplish nothing to punish Aurora as a whole, though I do understand why people would choose to no longer locate their business or home here.

    We should work to organize a national boycott of organizations that contribute money to PP. They are powerful because they have money–let's hit them there.

    October 10th, 2007 at 11:18 am
  63. Dennis says:

    Hi Dennis D,

    Great name! If you like the post, well, by all means claim credit! ;-)

    Dennis R.

    October 10th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
  64. Michelle Miklinski says:

    Wow, Thanks for the commentary Eric. I am sure alot of people wanted to be there last night, but knew city hall could not handle us all, so thank you for giving us a first hand account of what occured. I know alot of people are interested, and I rely on this site to forward updates of the situation to all of my friends, aurora residents, and family, country wide.
    PS Did it sound like the mayor was just watching the clock and not listening to his constituents? It sure sounded like it to me. Thanks again!
    God Bless!!

    October 10th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
  65. Jeff Close says:

    God bless everyone in attendance last night. I have a new job that precludes me from attending anymore council meetings. I'm very appreciative that we still have folks able and willing to attend. You have my heartfelt thanks and appreciation.

    I'm not surprised by ANY of Mayor Weisner's actions. Saddened, but definitely not surprised. Planned Parenthood has never been alone in its duplicity.

    Mayor Weisner sought a "rubber stamp" and has certainly worked hard to get one. While his efforts may not garner him the "Maggie Award", Planned Parenthood owes him a debt of gratitude.

    October 10th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
  66. Carmen says:

    Let's keep praying and working for Life: with God on our side Truth will prevail.
    Unborn Babies need our Voices and Help: THEY LOVE LIVE.
    Thank you to all and each one of you for not giving up.

    October 10th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
  67. PB says:

    Erin:

    As "Penny" mentioned last night, there is an ongoing boycott of corporate supporters of Planned Parenthood. It has been going on since the late 80s and has succeeded in getting more than 130 corporations to cease funding PP. For information on obtaining the list, go to http://www.fightpp.org

    October 10th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
  68. Kathi says:

    I was at the meeting last night. I would say the Mayors face was an unusual beet red. He got up and left the room on occasion. He sat pushed away from the desk most of the time people were speaking. I almost felt sorry for him untill he tried to end the comentary early and then he lashed out at the crowd. My thought then was that he was being arrogant. I have no ill will for the Mayor, I am very dissapointed in what he has done. I hope he takes it to heart and doesn't just feel we were picking on him.

    October 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
  69. Mary Lu says:

    Please answer/comment.

    One the permit issue: I have been to all of the city council, meetings and have heard representatives from Aurora businesses and Churches speak on how they needed to follow the letter of the law on permit and zoning. And how it did not seem to apply to PP. Have these businesses considered being joint plaintiffs in a suit against the city?

    On the hearing that never was: I live by Aurora University. They are buying up the houses in the area north of us to expand the school. The city has placed large yellow signs of HEARING NOTIFICATION with the date and location that the hearing is held. Perhaps if we can show up at these hearings and speak.

    October 10th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
  70. Michele says:

    If North Aurora can vote – as a community and village – not to have Walmart, why can't we in Aurora vote not to have a place that takes away life?

    What does North Aurora have that we don't?

    October 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
  71. Lucia says:

    This October 13 is going to be the 90th Aniversary of Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal Here is what She ask by that time. First the tre children saw a beautiful young man in flowing white garments.
    The stranger began to speak: Fear not, I am the Angel of Peace. Pray with me "Kneeling on the ground, he bowed low and recited this prayer tree times, with the children repeating it after him: "Oh my God, I believe, I adore, I hope and I love Thee. I ask pardon for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not hope and do not love Thee".
    In mid-summer, as the children were together, the angel came again, and said, "pray! pray a great deal. The Hearts of Jesus and Mary have merciful designs on you. Offer prayers and sacrifices continually to the Most High. Make everything you do a sacrifice, and offer it as on act of reparation for the sins by which God is offended, and as a petition for the conversion of sinners. Bring peace to our country in this way… I am the Guardian Angel of Portugal. Accept and bear with submission all the sufferings the Lord will send you".
    If that was 90 years ago, what can we said now? abortions all over around the world special here in the United States, homosexual unions, pornography, adultery,
    divorces, etc, etc, etc, so God will not be offended? what happen today in Cleveland OH?
    Please make sacrificies,pray, pray and pray bend your knees, DO NOT OFFEND TO GOD.

    October 10th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
  72. Lucia says:

    THE VISION FORTELLS WORLD WAR II AND COMMUNISM
    "The war (First World War, then raging) is going to end. But if people do not stop OFFENDING GOD, another and worse one will begin in the reing of Pius XI. When you shall see a night illuminated by an unknown light (January 25, 1938), know that this is the great sign that God gives you that He is going to punish the world for its many crimes by means of war, hunger, and persecution of the Church and the Holy Father.
    To prevent this, I shal come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of reparation on the five first
    saturdays. If my request are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed.
    By that time, they do not have ABORTIONS, programmed to kill babies in their mothers womb like today. What do you think that God can be?

    October 10th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
  73. Lucia says:

    THE LADY "MORE BRILLIANT THAN THE SUN"
    In June the Lady appeared again. There were about 70 people present, though only the children could see the apparition. She told the youngsters that many souls go to Hell because they have no one to pray and make sacrifices for them. She said Francisco and Jacinta would soon leave the world for Heaven. Holding out her heart surrounded by thorns which pierced it from all sides, Our Lady told Lucy: "God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world the devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne".

    October 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
  74. Lucia says:

    FATIMA, THE UNITED STATES AND THE FUTURE
    Not much was heard about Fatima in the United States until World Ward II began, and particularly until the consecration by the Holy Father in 1942. Since that time, a steady stream of new literature has been made available on the subject. Many excellent books have been written, pamphlets printed in the millions, lectures and sermons delivered, articles published in many magazines and newspapers, plays and radio dramas enacted-all about the remarkable apparitions of Our Lady at Fatima.
    However, in spite of all this, it is evident that out of all the millions who hear, only a few take the message to heart and put it into practice in their daily lives. Each passing day brings additional proof, with a more complete fulfillment of dire predictions made by Our Lady at Fatima in 1917. Already we have fought World War II, less than 5 years later American soldiers were dying in Korea, and a decade after that we were involved in Vietnam; nations has been distroyed; there has been much famine and bitter persecution; and Comunists now rule some 1.8 billion people (about 60% of the world's population)-all because men refuse to amend their lives and give up sin.
    Then Gulf War 1.991, now Iran war 4 years of our troops dyen there what else? we had all kind of tornadoes,hurricaines,fires, floadings, bridges fell down withouth explanation at Minn. etc,etc,
    This is particularly true in our country, where men hear for a while, and then return to their former evil ways, as a frank look at life in the United States will reveal.

    October 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
  75. Dennis Duehning says:

    Planned Parenthood at Eola and New York had a big party today with valet parking. The parking attendants were parking cars in the streets south of PP and sprinting across lawns to get back to the PP headquarters. That highly- paid 250,000 dollar per year CEO was there with a huge bodyguard. I think my invitation got lost in the mail. Another else get an invite?

    October 10th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
  76. Greg Guest says:

    1. I'm not sure about boycotts. I believe we should have organized 1 day or 1 week targeted boycotts to show our buying (tax) power. Aurora businesses for the most part ride the fence, because they don't want to drive away business of any type. On one hand, I don't want people to loose jobs, but on the other hand money talks…decreased tax revenue will affect the city budget.
    2. There are no excuses for Weisner. This is not a personal attack. He has no honor, and no integrity. I heard his lies when this all started. I didn't trust him then, and he lived up to expectations. He is a pro-choice democrat. Like the rest of the pro-aborts he will never stand in the way of a woman's "right to choose". He had every opportunity to stop them from opening, without even entering this country's abortion debate. But he chose the dark side. He must live with the condemnation of his constituents, because he was caught in his lies.
    3. I will attend the zoning/planning board hearing for AU. I support AU's right to improve their campus, but I can't trust the incompetence of the board to make good decisions.

    October 10th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
  77. Jane Celeste Fonner says:

    Perhaps you'll find this as interesting as my husband and I did-

    In the Sept. 12th Beacon there's a case where a 34 year old male (whose name I will not mention) of the 500 block of Liberty Street in Aurora was charged with FELONY OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE and MISDEMEANOR after he gave a FALSE NAME to an officer responding to a call for domestic violence. (We've seen a couple of the same police blotters in recent months but were unable to find them in Beacon archives.)

    Hmmmmm…………………

    And so here you have Gemini Medical who falsified the application submitted to the city….

    And then PP who clearly lied to gov't officials- in this case the city council members who sat on the planning committee…..

    SO in ONE case if you LIE to a gov't official(the police officer)- you committed a FELONY and go to jail……..

    BUT if you're PP & you lied to "correct gov't officials" (mayor & city council) …well then you bamboozle all the citizens of Aurora and make a MOCKERY of the people who RIGHTFULLY go through the business permitting process – and you get to open your Monument to Fraud Clinic!!

    So much for Character Counts in Aurora!

    October 10th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
  78. PB says:

    Dennis:

    Even the highly paid CEO of PPFA, Cecile Richards, flew in from New York.

    Apparently, i was PP-Aurora's 'grand opening' with ribbon cutting and all.

    October 10th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
  79. Eric Scheidler says:

    About boycotting Aurora businesses:

    I can understand it if the presence of the Abortion Fortress makes people not want to do business in the City of Aurora, and I'm not going to tell anyone what to do or where to spend their money.

    But I consider it my duty to say that I do not support the the idea of calling for a boycott of Aurora businesses.

    Our whole movement is based on the premise that we are members of this community, good citizens representing the majority pro-life view of the city. To turn around and seek to harm the businesses of our own city, many of them run by our friends and neighbors, as if they are to blame for the actions of the Weisner administration, does not seem fair to me.

    Moreover, we would lose an important opportunity to share our message. Shop owners, contractors, service providers and their employees need to hear from us why Planned Parenthood is bad for Aurora. All those "protesters out there" become real people when one of us strikes up a civil conversation at the check out counter or while writing a check to the plumber or piano tuner.

    Indeed, I think it is crucial for us to be building relationships in this community. One of the great blessings of this endeavor, for me, has been been becoming more invested in this community. I'm grateful that I've gotten to know so many police officers, journalists, neighbors and business owners. The groundwork is being laid for a long term transformation of Aurora.

    Driving our dollars out of Aurora would undermine that effort—more because of the lost personal contact than the absence of those dollars themselves.

    It seems to me a far more effective way to enlighten business owners on the danger of Planned Parenthood and the significance of the pro-life segment of this community is not to quit being their customers, but to be their best customer.

    This afternoon I had lunch with a freelance reporter at the Tavern on the Fox. Afterwards, I was chatting with Sean, the owner, about beer. He had overheard much of our conversation and knew I was involved with the Planned Parenthood controversy, though I'm not quite sure he was entirely clear where I stood.

    But we had an fruitful and extremely civil conversation about the situation. I listened to him and he listened to me. And while I was there, I ran into one of the police officers I've seen out on the street many times these past weeks.

    I walked out of the tavern feeling good about living in Aurora, about getting to know people here and becoming more and more a part of this community—despite the grim opening of the Abortion Fortress on the east side.

    I want to win this thing. I know people are angry, but I think the best way to do this is not to sever ties with Aurora businesses, but to nurture them. In the long term—if this is destined to be a long term effort—that will advance our cause much more effectively, in my view.

    Again, I can understand it if some—especially those who live in neighboring communities—find themselves with so bad a taste in their mouths about Aurora that they would rather shop somewhere else. But I would encourage all to carefully consider the value of building the kinds of business relationships that can change hearts and help us win the fight for life in Aurora.

    October 10th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
  80. Paul2 says:

    Boycotting all the businesses in Aurora would be like "throwing out the baby with the bathwater"(bad pun intended). It would not be right to boycott our pro-life friends.

    October 10th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
  81. Karen Koller says:

    It so touched my heart as I sat in the city hall watching and listenng to all the beautiful people who have so much love in their hearts for the innocent babies in the womb. It was like watching a Frank Capra movie such as "It's a Wonerful Life". Especially when John Thorne spoke and had a silent moment of prayer, and most especially when the sweet, precious,adorable, dippled faced, sparkling eyed, older lady(forgive me, I did not remember her name) sang, "He's Got the Whole world in His Hands".And the whole room (minis the pro-death supporters) joined in. The endearing, huge smile on Alderman Lawrence's face as he watched her sing was a sight to behold. Eric could play George Baily and Mayor Weisner could be Potter. :) As in all Frank Capra movies, good wins over evil, let us pray that it is the same for us here in Aurora! Also I totally agree with Eric's comment #56 and Jerry Nickel's comment #47 Thankyou both. I offer my daily Adoration to our Lord for all who work to defend life.

    October 10th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
  82. Karen Koller says:

    To add to my previous statement: I also pray most fervently for those on the opposing side who find themselves walking down the very dark and dangerous path away from God. And for the woman and girls who are pressured, confused, and lured into having an abortion. Also for our youth who are lured into promiscuous and unchaste lives.And all who are affected by abortion.
    I agree whole heartedly with Eric Scheidler's comment #79. The popular saying "What would Jesus do?", Eric hit it right on the mark.

    October 11th, 2007 at 1:03 am
  83. M says:

    1. I was disappointed to read that Beykirch was one of the people who voted to limit speaking time. I have had personal email correspondence with him in which he made it clear to me he is pro-life, though trying to remain on the side of the law with this issue. Furthermore, he lives in a neighborhood near the PP facility.

    2. Loved the Happy Homes analogy! (Although some of us would submit that the whole process of divorce already suits this issue.)

    3. I am not a business owner, but I would also like to plead with everyone to NOT boycott Aurora businesses. Ultimately it will only hurt the citizens of Aurora – not the mayor directly.

    4. While I am no fan of the mayor, I am beginning to wonder how his health will fare during this turmoil. I am almost feeling guilty.

    5. Thank you to Eric and all of the brave and persistent citizens who truly care about this cause.

    October 11th, 2007 at 7:46 am
  84. PB says:

    Eric.

    Excellent comments about not boycotting businesses in Aurora. In my opinion, you are absolutely correct.

    However, (again, in my opinion) corporations that financially support PP should be boycotted. Where there are viable options, pro-lifers should avoid doing business with or purhasing procts made by those corporatons on the LDI boycott list. More importantly, letters should be written to corporate executives telling them why they are being boycotted.

    Everytime pro-lifers shop at Whole Foods or Sears/K-Mart/LandsEnd, for example or eat at any Lettuce Entertain You restaurants (including Maggiano's, etc) or Cold Stone Creanert, Blimpies, etc or use Johnson & Johnson products, they are helping fund PP.

    Readers who want to learn more about economic boycotts should read this: http://www.fightpp.org/show.cfm?page=economic

    October 11th, 2007 at 8:42 am
  85. Kirk says:

    fyi
    Johnson & Johnson's brands include numerous household names of medications and first aid supplies. Among its well-known consumer products are the Band-Aid Brand line of bandages, Tylenol medications, JOHNSON'S Baby products, Neutrogena skin and beauty products, Clean & Clear facial wash and Acuvue contact lenses.
    Our family has used some of these products but will start using the alternatives, which are readily available.

    October 11th, 2007 at 9:44 am
  86. Greg Guest says:

    I don't think boycotting is out of bounds. I work in Aurora, and live a block away in the township. Most of our employees live in Aurora. I, like many of you, don't want to see citizens of Aurora hurt by loosing jobs or revenue, but from the first city counsel meeting many of you were telling the mayor and the city counsel that PP's presence in our community was going to hurt business and property values. The only reason this would be significant to the Mayor is because both of those issues affect municipal income and budgets. If you believe that this is a natural occurrence due to PP's proximity you are wrong. People make the decision not to live or shop in the community because of PP. I already boycott as many PP sponsors as I can. I also refrain from PRC goods as much as possible, because of my views on their human rights violations. The boycott issue should not be closed. People should follow their own conscience.
    I for one have not decided yet. I already decided not to buy a car in Aurora. I know one thing for sure (my opinion), Weisner doesn't care what we think, nor do many of the cronies in the departments he runs. The only way to impact them is lost revenue. By the way, check out who gives to the mayor's campaign every year. That might also help you make your decisions.

    October 11th, 2007 at 9:49 am
  87. Eric Scheidler says:

    Greg writes: "By the way, check out who gives to the mayor's campaign every year. That might also help you make your decisions."

    We're compiling that list right now. Of course, some of these businesses might not have known what kind of mayor Weisner would turn out to be.

    When the list is complete, I'll post it in a blog entry and then people can call these businesses and see where they stand with Weisner now.

    Any business that supports Thomas Weisner should be boycotted without question.

    October 11th, 2007 at 11:50 am
  88. NM says:

    Greg Guest, a question for you, please:

    Comment #86 makes a reference to PRC goods. What is PRC?
    Thanks.

    October 11th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
  89. Mary Lu says:

    Greg writes:
    "I already boycott as many PP sponsors as I can. I also refrain from PRC goods as much as possible, because of my views on their human rights violations."

    PRC= People's Republic of China

    October 11th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
  90. pastor Randy says:

    I wish I could have been at the city council meeting, I was out of town until this afternoon (Thurs).

    Eric is exactly right about not boycotting Aurora businesses. Those of us who follow Jesus are called to love our neighbors. We need to be a blessing to them, not unnecessarily make them our enemies.

    Instead of boycotting, why not spend a few minutes talking to the business owner about life. Let them see the love of Jesus in you, and let 'em know of your desire for Aurora to be a city where life is honored.

    October 11th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
  91. Phil says:

    Just a couple quick notes from Tuesday's meetings. I was pretty disappointed with some of the comments and reactions coming from our side. The initial snickering, laughing and verbal reactions to the comments of others are completely uncalled for. We need to remain silent and respectful when those with different views from our own speak. We need to refrain from side comments and personal attacks on the mayor and city council members, we should express our dissatisfaction respectfully. Based on the mayors speech at the close of the meeting I think it likely that his feelings have been hurt by the personal attacks leveled against him. We can be angry, we can be dissatisfied but personal attacks only damage our credibility

    October 11th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
  92. Sally says:

    I agree with Eric that we NOT boycott Aurora businesses because we need Aurorans to come to this fight with us. Every Aurora business is supporting an Aurora family and we know that families are the essential unit of society. As prolifers we support the dignity of each person, marriage between one man and one woman and their children. Let's also remember one of those businesses is letting us stand on their vacant lot for prayer, for sidewalk counseling, and for protests. I understand that business is Dominick's.

    October 11th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
  93. Dennis Duehning says:

    "…and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil." (John 3:19)
    Beginning at approximately 10 p.m. tonight in the darkness a fencing company began erecting a high fence completely around the vacant lot across the lane from Planned Parenthood in Aurora. By 11:30 p.m. the project was mostly completed. This property is apparently owned by Safeway/Dominicks and we know that Planned Parenthood wanted it closed off to prolifers. This is where several large, outdoor, prolife rallies were held and no damage was done to the empty field. However, Planned Parenthood does not want their clients to see or hear prolife people near their new fortress. For some reason it appears that Safeway/Dominicks is taking Planned Parenthood's side in this struggle.

    October 12th, 2007 at 12:12 am
  94. M says:

    RE: the fencing

    I have not seen this fence yet, but I will as I live very near to the location and shop at the store on a daily basis.

    I am very disappointed that Dominick's would do this, BUT……..I can only imagine the type of pressure they felt from PP. As we have all seen, PP will stop at nothing to get what they want.

    While this may seem to some like a traitorous move by the grocery store, let us please not take our anger out on them.

    October 12th, 2007 at 4:46 am
  95. Mary Lu says:

    I wonder….did the fence-erecting people get the permit to erect that fence?

    October 12th, 2007 at 5:24 am
  96. Leviticus Jackson says:

    M,
    You make a great point. Nobody in that store had a say so in that fence. Their corporate is in Oak Brook so you may bet that came straight from corp.

    October 12th, 2007 at 11:38 am
  97. Dennis R. says:

    Re: the Fence.

    Just as likely as pressure from PP is pressure from Safeway's lawyers. Anyone sane realizes that sooner or later, something bad will happen at a protest — like the BB gun incident that could easily have been far worse than it was. And if it happens on their property, they could be sued. Even defending such a suit successfully is expensive.

    No corporate attorney wants that kind of lawsuit exposure for his client. Welcome to overlawyered America, where leaving an empty lot unfenced could cost you a few million. :-(

    Dennis R.

    October 12th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
  98. Leviticus Jackson says:

    Dennis,
    What BB gun incident? You are right by the way no lawyer wants that spot open where somebody trips and falls and sues.

    October 12th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
  99. Dennis R. says:

    BB Gun incident — at least according a post I read several weeks ago, a teenaged girl protesting at PP was struck in the arm with a BB fired from a passing vehicle. I'd be happy if I were to learn that information isn't accurate.

    In any event, laying that at PP's doorstep would not be wise; it was presumably a couple of drunk or high morons.

    Dennis R.

    October 12th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
  100. Dennis R. says:

    Random thought … how big is that lot? What might it cost to raise the money for FAPP to buy it? Maybe Safeway would just as soon get out from under it at this point. Keeping it for possible future parking would presumably not make much business sense any more, since a parking lot would require public access, and therefore become a headache again.

    But it might make a nice site as a memorial for the dead children.

    Dennis R.

    October 12th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
  101. Leah says:

    Rather than a memorial for dead children, how about a chance for life? Why not buy it and put up an adoption agency and counseling center?

    October 12th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
  102. Drake says:

    Buy it, possibly using FAPP's "Aquarius Partners" arm, then build the facility Leah describes. Put the parking lot in the back so it faces the clinic and call the facility "Parenthood Parnters" or "PP" for short. A perfect spot for a crisis pregnancy center! I'll give $100 a month. Who's in?

    October 12th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
  103. M says:

    Gee, I thought we had already earmarked that spot for "Happy Homes!"

    October 12th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
  104. Jericho says:

    Have we processed what it will cost to end abortion?

    It took the lives of 600,000 to end slavery.

    It took the lives of dozens to end segregation including four little girls.

    Do we think those who profit from the murder of millions of unborn will not in a vain attempt take other lives to continue their bloody rampage for money? It will be those without mortgages (our teenagers) who will end this holocaust by filling the jails. Is there a pastor in America that will call for it? Will he be honest and tell the parents of his congregation that it will cost the lives of some of their teens?

    People will die. Yet thousands die each day. "No greater love…"

    October 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
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