Mayor Ignores Citizens and Aldermen
Posted by Roger on Monday, October 1st, 2007
Mayor Tom Weisner had a press conference today at 3pm in which he told the press that the city would be issuing the occupancy permit sometime in the next 24 hours.
You would think the Mayor of the City of Aurora, Tom Weisner, would be a leader. But, it seems that he has his own plan in mind when it comes to Planned Parenthood. Maybe that's why he was sick and missed last week's City Council meeting where almost 200 people signed up to address the City Council. I mean, who want to listen to their constituents when your mind is already made up.
When I say, "made up", I don't think the Mayor would issue the occupancy permit if "criminal fraud" occurred. But when was it in all the hours of 3-minute speeches to the City Council that we specifically wanted this investigation to be limited to "criminal" fraud?
It seemed downright odd that the Kane County State's Attorney, Barsanti, was brought in. But I thought, so be it, they may have committed criminal fraud. Well, it looks like no one from Planned Parenthood will be going to jail for this one, so far.
You could see this coming, the Mayor's actions that is, when it was revealed that Barsanti was only looking for criminal fraud.
Our "beef" with the process that PP took was that they misrepresented themselves and lied to the City of Aurora and to its citizens. They lied to me and to you.
It should be someone well know that proving "criminally" takes much more evidence - beyond a reasonable doubt - than it takes to prove a "civil" case - by a preponderance of the evidence. So, maybe PP walked the letter of the law. (And I only say maybe here.) But that does not mean that they were honest or up-front. We all know that they were not. They said it themselves.
The Mayor needs to take a big step back. Step back and look at the citizens of Aurora, its government - the City Council, which includes the 12 Aldermen, and what is best for Aurora. The city does not need to allow just any business into Aurora. We do not want the business of Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is BAD for:
- Aurora and the Fox Valley
- Businesses
- Neighborhoods
- Schools
- Hispanics, Blacks and Minorities
- Youth, Pre-teens, toddlers, babies
- You and Me
After today' press conference, to which the general public was excluded, I heard from one of the Aldermen that they, our elected officials, where NOT given the reports by the two attorneys nor Barsanti, until about 20 minutes before the 3:00pm press conference. Our Alderman were shut out. Why? Why did the city council not have an opportunity to discuss the issue and vote on it? Isn't that what was promised to the people of Aurora?
Well, the fight continues. F.V.F.A.P.P. will not lie down dead. We will continue to pray and to take action to root PP from our city. Ours is not only a cause grounded in our faiths, but in our moral conscience. Planned Parenthood is not open yet! Our fight continues! Be vigilant. Be strong!
Now that the mayor got what he wanted–political cover–it is clear for all to see how the process was steered to this conclusion. The matter of civil fraud is what our concern was from the beginning. It is here where the citizens of Aurora were defrauded by Planned Parenthood's "obfuscation" (to use the word Judge Norgle used). It is interesting that a federal judge, 50 miles away from Aurora, can see evidence of civil fraud but our mayor is blind to it when it is right under his nose. The mayor must think we are really stupid.
October 1st, 2007 at 6:02 pm
It is interesting that a federal judge, 50 miles away from Aurora, can see evidence of civil fraud but our mayor is blind to it when it is right under his nose.
Whenever something looks fishy, look for the money trail and follow it.
The Abortion Industry is a trillion dollar industry.
Mike
October 1st, 2007 at 7:32 pm
I invite all supporters and opponents to attend the press conference that will be held Tuesday October 2nd at 10 am at the Aurora health center. We will NOT rally in front of city hall.
The Aurora police department has voiced concerns about signs on large poles or sticks and those may be confiscated. If opponents of the health center are found to be disruptive to patients arriving for services all persons will be asked to leave. Please obey this request if notified by Aurora police and remain off PPFA property as Aurora Police will be issuing trespass notices.
October 1st, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Steven,
All of us Pro-Lifers will be there and we are not leaving until the fortress comes down.
Mike (Pro God's Choice, Pro Woman and Pro-Life)
October 1st, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Steve,
Welcome to this site. It is interesting to see that you are posting here, but when I tried to post at your site I needed to get my message approved by the moderator (you?) and my message never did appear.
October 1st, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Hey Steve,
Thanks for the invite. I invite you to do the right thing and limit your clinic to serving life. Help poor woman receive health care, don't kill their children.
October 1st, 2007 at 9:34 pm
I am speechless.
I will fight on.
I have to believe the Mayor will not seek reelection and will get well deserved support for a more ambitious position. He has to collect for selling out Aurora. I pray he has no daughters that would end the life of his grandchildren.
Martin Luther King Jr. said, "A man dies when he refuses to stand up for that which is right. A man dies when he refuses to stand up for justice. A man dies when he refuses to take a stand for that which is true." By that measurement, Mr. Mayor you are on life support.
Dan
P.S. You can see MLK among other greats speak in a montage on youtube by searching for Freedom 101 on http://www.youtube.com
These very words are what got me off my butt to stand up and be heard.
October 1st, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Please note the footer on page 1 of the memo from Phillip A Luetkehans.
“Given the expedited time frame within which a report was due because of federal court litigation, this report is a summary of our findings and research. We have not yet received all the information requested from City staff …. ”
Now didn't the Mayor promise the public that this would not be rushed?
Here is the video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ7J_59XOpE
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:29 am
Justice has been served and the clinic will open today. Whether you think it's right or wrong is irrelevant. The only reason I am posting here is because I received your card in the mail yesterday and I really don't appreciate this organization sending your propaganda to my home. You have no LEGAL ground to stand on and you all know it.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:55 am
The Mayor's decision stinks to high heaven…what happened to listening to your contituents and representing the will of the people (of Aurora)??
I guess money IS still the root of all evil….
Your legal ground will crumble and give way to the truth…Slavery was legal in the 1800's, too!
They won this round, but the war continues…
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:29 am
Tiffany,
When you die (and we all do sooner or later) and are face to face with Jesus (do you even care if you're looking at Him and not Satan?), are you going to tell Him that it just didn't matter what was right or wrong on earth … because it was all irrelevant anyway? And how happy can He be to hear you say that "justice was served" in regard to Planned Parenthood's opening in Aurora? — a justice that, by the way, allows you to keep smashing His creations right up against the wall. Don't you think some day He just might decide to start purifying this earth in a more aggressive fashion? And do you think you are for some reason untouchable in this regard?
Wake up, girl, and STOP KILLING BABIES or supporting those that do. He's a forgiving Christ, but those that murder little tiny creatures (or support others who do) have got to be on His "B–" team (and falling).
P.S. "Don't like the stuff in your mailbox? — Don't have one."
October 2nd, 2007 at 8:29 am
As a teenager, I used Planned Parenthood's services. If it hadn't been there to use, I would have been BETTER OFF today. It's far too easy to access, they don't question you or teach you the value of abstinence. When I received the mailing yesterday, I learned a lot about how deceiving Planned Parenthood really is! I checked out the teenwire.com website and was appalled of what is available to teens. They lie to teens. They give them no moral reason not to have sex, and make it seem like they are right to be having sex so young. Where is the education on the value of abstinence? Planned Parenthood is a bunch of immoral liars! We need to pray and pray and pray that this lying will STOP and this clinic will not be allowed to open its doors.
October 2nd, 2007 at 9:03 am
mayorsoffice@aurora-il.org
Mayor Weisner,
I wanted to let you know that I'm deeply disappointed in your decision to allow Planned Parenthood to open. I don't know what happened behind the scenes to make this seem like a good decision, but I know that killing babies is not good for Aurora. It's terrible. You've allowed a company to come into our city to kill our babies for money - 2,400 a year at around $450 per baby (their projections). That's over a million dollars a year they'll make killing babies. You've sold our city to murderers.
Dave Church
Aurora, Il
October 2nd, 2007 at 10:35 am
I'm so glad that our voices, women's voices, have been heard!! The right choice has been made here…to offer reproductive health services to everyone. To have a safe place set up for everyone to get affordable health care that otherwise they would've never had. This is a major step for women's rights!! Thank you EVERYONE who supported Planned Parenthood and who's voice helped to open this clinic!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:32 am
I please kindly ask you not to mail your cards to my home anymore. While I agree with your right to freedom of speech and your right to believe in what you want, it is not acceptable to push your views on others - I see it enough when I have to drive to my mothers home and your signs posted everywhere, it still hasn't changed my stance nor anyone elses.
Planned Parenthood is A LOT more than just abortions. I can understand if you want to close the abortion side of the clinic but denying the right for this clinic to open that would serve the families and their children in and around the city is a good thing, especially to those who cannot afford the high cost of health care. Shame on you who want to protect life but aren't willing a clinic, who is MORE than abortion clinic to open and take care of those families health needs to keep them alive and well.
And to "susan" who wrote about "Planned Parenthood", do not expect an organization and/or business to tell you what to do in life! It is not their job to tell you not to have sex, they do not build your morals, your family and your friends help you build those morals.
Kudos to you "BRIAN" for your logical thinking.
And in response to the letter above, there are more than just the anti-abortion citizens living in and around Aurora therefore, he didn't ignore citizens.
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 am
Well, I'm glad to see all the PP supporters reading our BLOGs. It's great to have you here. I hope that you will continue to read and become better informed by it.
It looks like we'll need to post more information about PP and what it is really all about. They say only 10% of it's services is abortion. (Well, if only 10% of a cookie was "crap" (literally), would you still eat it.) But we'd have to assume that PP does not include non-surgical abortions in their estimate.
And with 13 recovery rooms, and the only "service" they offer needing a recovery room being "abortion services", how does this add up? They have more recovery rooms than the local Mercy Hospital (correction) who does so much more.
Drea, I'd have to agree with your statement "It is not their job to tell you not to have sex, they do not build your morals". But the problem is that they DO make it their job. They do degrade our morals. Check out the PP teen web site to verify this.
And Drea, it's going to be difficult not to send stuff to your home without your address. Can you post this for us?
God Bless,
Roger
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:01 pm
I encourage any of you who feel passionately pro-choice or pro-life to read Angela Franks' 2005 book, Margaret Sanger's Eugenic Legacy. It as a well documented recitation of Sanger's vision and strategy to prevent the birth of unhealthy children and any children to poor, ethnic or unhealthy parents and to limit births worldwide to two per female. She felt great affinity to those who wanted to use government to prevent births and control the masses (T Malthus, H Ellis, F Galton, A Hitler, KKK, et al) Birth control was one of her chosen means to eliminate births to 'unfit' mothers and to free women to explore sexuality. It is all right there, in her own words. She at least was truthful regarding her objectives and means. She accomplished much of what she set out to do. It has been estimated there are over 100 million fewer people alive today because of her success.
As one observer, I suspect GOD/AA, as a not-for-profit, did need a special use permit, but that it is too late now to remedy this through Aurora government.
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 pm
This was posted by Theresa on Jill Stanek's website…
I have been following this story since it broke…not only from a pro-life standpoint, but also from a land development standpoint. My husband and I are both in the Land Surveying industry and our specialty is entitlements and zoning….I smelled a rat the moment the mayor "declared" PP broke no rules and could open today. If this was any other entity that had tried to pull this the city would have shut them down like a sledgehammer and probably ordered demo of the structure. Now, if the permit is allowed to stand after the filing of the appeal then the entire Planning Dept. should be sued ALONG with the "mayor" and each member of the city council….if I owned property within 250 feet of this facility I would have ALREADY filed suit. I understand how this process works and it is NOT ambigous…there is so much corruption here it makes me sick. The only reason this is unfolding like this is PP is greasing the wheels. There is NO OTHER WAY to get around zoning laws. I hope the mayor enjoys his bloodstained sports car/speed boat/Jamacain vacation/summer home that PP just bought him.
…and didn't someone on this website say the Mayor is "Catholic"??
What Parish does he belong to and who is the Pastor of the Parish?
Mike
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Praising Planned Parenthood's opening, Halo says, "I'm so glad that our voices, women's voices, have been heard!!"
One group of female voices who have NOT been heard are the millions of unborn baby girls who have been killed by abortion or who are in danger of being aborted.
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:42 pm
Have to agree with Roger's point on the 10% of PP's services is abortion, the rest is women's "healthcare" services.
If I'm a family man who provides food, shelter, clothing, healthcare to my wife and 3 kids…BUT beat and abuse them only 10% of the time…does the 90% "healthcare" justify my 10% abusive action???
It's already very tough raising kids morally in today's
society….we don't need PP's help (if you can call it that) !
On with the fight, Christian soldiers!! Hooyah!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:44 pm
There are quite a few women's voices that are not being heard, and that is from women like ME who disagree that encouraging women to be used as sexual objects is a good thing.
The dignity and strength of women is undermined by using the gift of sex as recreation. Women suffer from this emotionally, spiritually, and are the ones to pay the largest price physically with STD's, infertility, increased risk of cancer and either unplanned pregnancy or abortion. This benefits men the most, by letting them continue to view women primarily as sexual objects, and then, should a child result, pressuring women to abort and save them from being real men.
As I have been praying at the clinic these last 50 odd days, it has always been men screaming at me from their quickly passing cars to "keep it legal".
Of course that is what men such as these would want, at a tremendous cost to the women they sleep with.
Planned Parenthood simply facilitates recreational sex, then provides women with "protection" that regularly fails, then treats the failures. They make lots of dollars for this "service", at the expense of women and their wholeness.
Planned Parenthood exploits women for money.
Please, just do not include me in "women's voice have been heard" when lauding PP's entrance into my city. It makes me steaming mad.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Drea,
If PP cares so much about providing the 90% of their services that don't involve killing someone, then why don't they voluntarily separate them? Offer abortion services one place and non-abortion services another place.
Surely you can't logically expect those of us who believe abortion is murder to say that 90% health services (that are available elsewhere!) balances out 10% murder. That's ridiculous.
Of course there are more than just pro-life citizens in Aurora, I assume…But if you notice, not too many of them were willing to stand up in front of the city council and defend Planned Parenthood's lying, or to even stay until the end of the meeting.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Would people here support buying the land next to Aurora PP and putting up a Adoption Agency and Crisis Pregnancy Center?
Would you support time and money to the Adoption Agency and Crisis Pregnancy Center?
Of course our biggest hurdle would probably getting through the permit process. Just kidding!
Mike
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:26 pm
Mr Trombley, Halo, and Others
Welcome. I'm glad you are visiting our site, and I'm glad to have the chance to educate you. Please stop using the argument that PP is ok because they provided needed health care
Quoted from the VNA's website, they "provide wellness and annual preventative services for men, women and children such as:
• Immunizations
• Health education
• STD testing
• Weight control
• Men's wellness services, including
prostate exams
• Children's wellness services, including
well-baby check-ups, immunizations,
school physicals, sports physicals
and lead screening
• Women's wellness services, including
breast exams, pap tests and
colposcopies for women with
abnormal pap findings, as well as
mammograms
Plus complete pregnancy care:
• Pregnancy tests at no charge
• Physicians for mothers (prenatal care
and deliveries)
• Physicians for babies
• WIC Program services
• Healthy Families American program"
The only service PP brings is abortion. Defend that if you must (though I find it indefensible) but please stop relying on this tired and incorrect argument that Aurora needs womens health care. Do your homework.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:33 pm
No one finds the abortion decision or process an easy one. And from a moral standpoint, it is wrong to have such a procedure done. But the fact is that abortons will happen, Planned Parenthood or not, and it is therefore necessary to have such clinics available to the public.
On a personal note, I am outraged that anyone, be it male or female feel that thay have the right to tell me, or inhibit me from doing what I want, or do not want to do with my own body. I logically understand the arguments og pro-lifer's, but if they feel that abortion is wrong, then they have the choice not to utilize these facilities. I however, am glad that the option is there.
Several of the arguments in the above comments are contradictions. You complain of men yelling out of their cars to keep it legal, yet in the past weeks, there have been men lined up with signs and grotesque pictures protesting. Are pro life males acceptable, and pro choice men wrong? At the same time, you have been exploiting teens and children in your quest. On what level are they able to create an independant, objective opinion on the subject? And what alternatives do you and your organization provide had all these fetuses not been aborted? Who would supply them with healthcare? Who would put them through college? Who would support the parents? What about in the case of rape? (Talk about womens rights…)
I have visited several adoption sites, and there are thousands of children up for adoption, and not enough loving and caring families out there for them. If adoption is in the childs best intrest, why not protest against the fact that gays are unable to adopt?
You are entitled to your opinion, and I am mine. Just don't force feed yours down my throat everytime I drive home or pick up my mail: As one of the protestors signs read: "If it is okay to kill off unwanted children, why not kill off the unwanting mothers?" Disgusting.
I applaud your efforts and determination, but PP has been allowed to open. Let them do their work.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Eva,
You have so many questions, I can't briefly answer them all. Here's a book which would answer all your questions…
Mike
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm
I commend the above blogger. A well written piece that very much points out all of the contradictions w/ the Pro-Life arguments.
If anyone here chooses to be Pro-Life due to religious beliefs than chew on this for a minute…why not let God judge the individual. Please stop casting stones unless you yourself are sin free!
If one believes that abortion is murder then that person does not need to partake in it. You will be in heaven and have nothing to fear.
The Crusades ended a long time ago, unfotunately the mentality has not.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:42 pm
"On a personal note, I am outraged that anyone, be it male or female feel that thay have the right to tell me, or inhibit me from doing what I want, or do not want to do with my own body."
Ever heard the phrase "my rights end where yours begin"? Abortion infringes upon the unborn child's inalienable rights. An abortion is not the same as getting a wart removed, for example. We're talking about 2 bodies- a child is not an extension of a woman's body.
"And what alternatives do you and your organization provide had all these fetuses not been aborted?"
Adoption, perhaps? Just a thought…
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Eva-
As one of many families who have adopted (2 children) and are waiting to adopt again- may I just say that there aren't any babies in the Domestic Adoption Pool - no there are not……ask ANYONE who is or has been waiting to adopt. Planned Parenthood and other Abortion agencies kill them off faster than we can even begin to offer our hearts and homes!
As for children conceived through rape-The circumstances of a preborn child's conception should not modify, let alone negate, his or her right to life. In other words, the preborn baby has a right to life regardless of the circumstances under which he or she was conceived.
If we were to consider two infants, one conceived through marital intercourse, the other through forcible rape, would we say that one person was "more human" than the other?
Two wrongs do not make a right. A second wrong makes a bad situation worse.
Regardless of the father's identity, the woman is still the mother. The baby is still her child.
And just for the record- Rape represents perhaps only 1 percent of all abortions. Yet we hear about them all the time.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Eva,
I was not complaining about the men yelling, just making an observation that is was only men yelling to keep it legal. That is self serving for them, not compassion for women. Men are the largest beneficiaries of abortion, as they can continue to use and discard women without any responsibility.
There are oodles of services offered for women who choose not to abort, as I am certain you already know. (Check out the bottom of this very page for a toll free number. Just one example.)
There is a huge desire for babies to adopt if you would just be honest.
And this is the best,
"And what alternatives do you and your organization provide had all these fetuses not been aborted? Who would supply them with healthcare?"
If PP was really a "Comprehensive Health Care Center", this would be offered to women seeking help at PP, not just abortion.
But despite PP's lack of true health care, there are options in our community for affordable health care here in Aurora already (VNA, Aunt Martha's and others).
Please, these tired old arguments are just not going to fly here. We have been fighting thes injustices for way too long to be persuaded by your empty, false compassion.
Bottom line, death is never a solution to social problems. I do not deny there are difficult questions to answer regarding abortion, but I do know death is not the answer.
And you'll just have to get used to our praying and protesting, because we are not going away.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Eva Eva Eva, I wish you could understand why murder is wrong. We don't beleve in killing because it's the easy way to get rid of a problem. Your body doesn't really belong to just you, it's on loan to you from God. Would it have been OK for your mother to have killed you? Of course not, there are many unwanted pregnanceys few unwanted babies. Many, many people want to adopt but can't. I'm sorry Planned Parenthood has placed their building near where you live so you have to see protest. Perhaps you should ask them to leave.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:47 pm
One more food for thought for everyone…
Has anyone heard of the concept of overpopulation?
If every child was born in this country that was concieved how much longer do you think our world resources would last?
Just a thought.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pm
"If anyone here chooses to be Pro-Life due to religious beliefs than chew on this for a minute…why not let God judge the individual. Please stop casting stones unless you yourself are sin free!"
God also calls us to act with justice, and to stand up for what's right. We don't have to be "sin free" to know the difference between right and wrong.
"If one believes that abortion is murder then that person does not need to partake in it. You will be in heaven and have nothing to fear."
We have plenty to fear when we are complacent and blind ourselves to this slaughter of innocent life… may I quote the Confetior: 'I have sinned through my own fault,in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done,and in what I have FAILED to do'
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:49 pm
If just one woman had second thoughts about having an abortion due to the controversy surrounding the opening of the Aurora Planned Parenthood clinic, then the protests and prayer vigils were not in vain. A life saved at any other time is trumpeted as heroic, who wouldn’t save an infant in imminent danger? Yet we are to believe that a child in utero is unworthy of the same effort? If we give up this fight for the most innocent among us, who will society set upon next? The Alzheimer patient who has outlived his usefulness? Life is precious in all its forms and stages, I pray that women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy have the courage to choose life and be a hero to all of us. Many thanks to all who have stood up for Life. God Bless
On a side note the clinic resides in Dupage county so why does Kane county states attorney have jurisdiction? I'm new to this fight….thanks
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pm
John,
Give it a break. Killing off people purposely is no answer to population problems, if they actually existed.
Pay attention to the headlines, and you'll see that the only reason our population is increasing is from immigration. Our birth rate is dropping at a rate that will threaten your elder years.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:53 pm
"We have plenty to fear when we are complacent and blind ourselves to this slaughter of innocent life".
But you are not being complacent…right? You are voicing your opinion on this forum…and I'm sure in your heart to God?
So why do you feel the need to force others to have your beliefs when God already knows how you feel on the subject?
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:55 pm
"Has anyone heard of the concept of overpopulation?
If every child was born in this country that was concieved how much longer do you think our world resources would last?"
Then why don't we just kill off all the grannies and the disabled and the mentally ill, too? After all, they're just, "useless eaters", as the Nazis used to say…
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Has anyone heard of the concept of overpopulation?
Can The Entire World Population Fit Within The Boundries of Texas?
LEGEND
1 Acre = 43,560 Square Feet
1 Square Mile = 640 Acres or 27,878,400 Square Feet (640 x 43,560)
——————–
World Population = 6,276,000,000 people
State of Texas = 268,601 Square Miles or 171,904,640 Acres (268,601 x 640) or 7,488,166,118,400 Square Feet (268,601 x 640 x 43,560)
———————-
Average Size 2-Story Home with 3-4 Bedrooms = 1,500 to 2,400 Square Feet (Thus 750 - 1,200 Square Feet is Needed on the Ground Floor).
This home would fit 5-6 people per house comfortably!
Therefore 150-240 (750 to 1,200/ 5 people per household) Square Feet of Ground Space Per Person is needed to fit 5-6 people comfortably in a 2-story home in the state of Texas.
——————–
State of Texas = 7,488,166,118,400 Square Feet/ 6,276,000,000 people in the world = 1,193 Square Feet Per Person is available for the entire world’s population to live in the state of Texas.
As noted above only 150-240 Square Feet of Ground Space is needed per person to fit 5-6 people comfortably in a 2-story home in the state of Texas!!!
——————
You can double check my math!
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:55 pm
I'm talking about world recources here…food, water, energy. Not a place to live.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pm
"So why do you feel the need to force others to have your beliefs when God already knows how you feel on the subject?"
Why are you "forcing" me to have yours? We have to make a distinction between what is right and what is wrong- we must continually search for and promote the truth.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pm
I am not forcing my opinion whatsoever. Simply having a converstion.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:59 pm
"We have to make a distinction between what is right and what is wrong- we must continually search for and promote the truth."
I believe the only one who knows truth is God. No other human being has the right to judge another. What was right and what was wrong will be decided at the end.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:04 pm
John,
20% of the people use 80% of the worlds resources. 80% of the people use 20% of the worlds resources. Do you think maybe 20% of the people can cut down a bit on the amount of resources they really need?
One farmer can feed thousands of people. The difference between Pro-Aborts and Pro-Lifers is Pro-Lifers know "people" have the ability to be productive and therefore are America's greatest resource!
Mike
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Mike,
I'm all about it…unfortunately I don't believe that's happening anytime soon w/ our capatalistic society and all.
I'll tell you what, the minute you change our whole world social and economic structure…you can count me in.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:09 pm
John,
Don't discount human ingenuity. Food production has gone way up due to increased knowledge. Energy options being researched to replace oil are in the works, and medical care is advancing tremendously. All this is from humans making great strides. I am certain that if these children were born, some of them would greatly contribute to our knowledge base in making this planet sustain the increased population.
The value of a human life isn't just in what it can offer society, however. Human life is intrinsically valuable because it is eternal.
I really think it is shameful for our generation to eliminate a third of the next generation just so we don't have to worry about our resources. That won't look too great when history examines our culture, I am afraid.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pm
I'm disappointed in the decision of the mayor to let PP open. God will prevail. I'm also disappointed that this blog has become a place of argument, debate and almost baseless rhetoric. I once felt safe and secure to know that some people out there agreed with me. I read many blogs and go point-counterpoint with choicers each day. I come here to feel alittle better. There are plenty of places on the internet to debate and evangelize. Many better than this. But there are few places where we can at least not be badgered by the opposition. If we can't filter out the opposition this blog loses its relevance…at least to me. If we need to evangelize or demonstrate our commitment to life, they can monitor without response. Everyone needs a safe haven. This was once one for the Families Against Planned Parenthood.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Greg,
The PP blog will not allow open debate. They are afraid!
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Roger,
What do you call the above comments BUT open debate???
They are not afraid of anything even offending us which they can do so openly on this forum.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:23 pm
I evidently sparked some reaction I see… I am glad to see the responses.
First of all, I have no problem with the clinic being where it is. I just have a problem with some of your scare-tacticts. I will not ask for the clinic to leave, nor will I ask you. Nor do I have a problem with the protestors - once again, you are entitled to your opinions. But I am mine as well, and I do not appreciate my choices be condemed due to subjective religious beliefs. Man is selfish, and henceforth religion is interpretive. How I view my choices and how you view yours are two differtent things. And I assume that many of the responses I have received are from Catholics, because none of you have attacked the question of gays being allowed to adopt…?
One of the many beauties of freedom of speech.
Secondly, if you are arguing womens rights, then there are several factors that should be included, and to lenghty to be included in this forum. In short, womens rights are all-encompassing. One can not select elements that suit oneself to argue. Simone De Beauvoir (one of the great feminists of the 20th century) argued that womens rights, amongst other things, should include everything, both positives and negatives, and one of her strongest statements is that a woman is in control of her own body and self. Wouldn't it then be a step back in feminist argument, to return to a "clothes hanger" method of abortion? (hate that expression by the way)
Thirdly, where is the responsibility of women? Women are too equally responsible for their pregnancy as men are. I am by no means arguing that there are not males that flee from their responsibilities, however women do have the power to say no. And although PP does provide abortions, they also provide proactive solutions to women in order for them to take care of themselves, their bodies and futures.
Amd to the comment about rape - are you then ultimately saying that it is okay then to abort 24 children a year due to rape, because it was an unjust action towards that certain female…? Isn't that a double-standard?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:34 pm
It's NEVER okay to abort period……..
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pm
" In short, womens rights are all-encompassing. One can not select elements that suit oneself to argue. Simone De Beauvoir (one of the great feminists of the 20th century) argued that womens rights, amongst other things, should include everything, both positives and negatives, and one of her strongest statements is that a woman is in control of her own body and self."
Am I, then, to assume S.d B. would be in favor of no legal restrictions on any woman's behaviour? She may prostitute herself, molest children, murder, steal and use drugs. It seems to me th at society has placed lots of restrictions on people's use of their own bodies.
My point being, especially in PP's case where they actively target young girls, with little life experience to make sound choices, sometimes societal limits of behaviour are for the good of the whole, other times for the good of the individual.
Engaging in recreational sexual activity leads to an objectification of women, a lack of respect for women, and even if they don't mind being objectified and used, the price they pay is a heavy one.
I object to the degrading of woman promoted as a good thing. I object to exploiting women and girls at their most vulnerable times (sexual intimacy and early pregnancy) for profit and gain.
I object to PP's casual dismissal of parental involvement in teens decision making, especially when speaking of the above vulnerable times in a yound girl's life.
I object to PP motives in disguising abortions as comprehensive health.
I object to the false compassion PP has for women. We have real health care here already. We don't need the exploitation of women and girls in our community.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:52 pm
"I believe the only one who knows truth is God. No other human being has the right to judge another. What was right and what was wrong will be decided at the end."
So everything that was revealed to us by God in the Bible is a pack of lies?? Christ explictly said "you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free".
What you are promoting is moral relativism, plain and simple.
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:56 pm
The fight for women's rights was long and long-coming. I wrote my Master's Thesis on the fight of women to get the vote in 1920, and it was a remarkable struggle against great prejudice. Women needed rights that we now take for granted: voting, holding public office, freedom from sexual harassment, freedom to pursue any job, freedom from physical abuse, freedom to choose a marriage partner, freedom to be judged on her merits as a human being. "Rights" do not include freedom to destroy another human life because it is inconvenient to you. They do not include freedom from pregnancy risk if you choose to be sexually active. By hiding behind women's rights, you insult the women who worked tirelessly for simply the right to be full citizens.
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Looks like our fine town DOES NOT listen to the rantings of your fanatic cult. Planned Parenthood stopped more unwanted pregnancies (thus more abortions) than you've done in your entire lives.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Spoken like the true father of lies.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Anonymous user said:
Satan may win many battles but will never win The War!
The War has already been determined when Christ died for our sins on the cross. It's now just a matter of which road you want to choose — the road against Christ or the road for Christ.
With Christ dying on the cross the war has already been determined and Christ has won!
See the last picture on the Sorrowful Mysteries…
http://www.catholic-kids.com/picturemysteries.html
Mike
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Mayor Weisner,
Thank you for your efforts regarding the Planned Parenthood clinic. Last week you were a hero to the Pro-Life action group, this week somehow they say you betrayed them. You did what you could as mayor, I thank you.
Too bad some people are ungrateful for your efforts.
Sally
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Sally,
I am fairly certain the good Mayor won't see your message. Try this address:
MayorsOffice@aurora-il.org
It's sweet of you to be so concerned for the mayor.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:17 pm
Hey! I just received your postcard, and was so disgusted by your tactics that I went to the Planned Parenthood website and made a donation!
Thank you!
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:20 pm
When coming out of the darkness, the light can be blinding, which may be perceived as disgust. May your eyes adjust.
blessings!
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Because human life is sacred from conception until natural death, abortion is evil.
(So is preemptive war and capital punishment in most cases, but I digress).
But preventing conception does not kill, and is not evil (as a matter of fact, I'd say it's a positive step in avoiding unwanted pregnancies and overpopulation). Giving exams and psychological counseling is not evil. And I will not be a hypocrite and say that "Planned Parenthood is Bad" when I, as a newly-married college student, received excellent care at a reasonable price at the only facility available to me at the time, a Planned Parenthood clinic. It's abortion I oppose, not the rest of PP's services!
Why can't we ask Planned Parenthood to provide only non-abortion-related services at this clinic? Being willing to dialogue and negotiate would show a lot of good will on both sides, and would be really appreciated by folks like me who live in the neighborhood.
October 2nd, 2007 at 8:07 pm
I would be in favor of that, but they wouldn't do it. Without their "but we do good stuff too" argument, they'd never be able to open an abortion clinic.
October 2nd, 2007 at 9:10 pm
May God have mercy on the souls of those who say they are "pro-choice" and support or work in this "facility."
October 2nd, 2007 at 9:30 pm
It is unfortunate that Planned Parenthood has lied to our community that its services are needed. DuPage County already provides all the services Planned Parenthood does, except "abortion". Yes, DuPage County even offers "emergency contraception." I just learned that today, and I am unhappy that my tax dollars are being use for emergency contraception which is abortion in my book.
I like the idea of opening a crisis pregnancy center next to the Planned Parenthood. I think it would be showing the no hummanity, no-life, no-say crowd that we do act with our pocket books and truly care about our community. It would also offer the women who go to Planned Parenthood for an abortion one last option of hope to consider, one more time to chose life.
Although I am pro-life, I do agree that the pictures are really rather disturbing. I can't stand to look at the signs when I drive by. I think those signs turn off more people than they convince to stop, and other pictures would be more effective.
I also do not understand by contraceptives, those that are non-abortive, are at issue in the abortion debates I have read and heard? I support contraceptives provided they are non-abortive. I also support sexual education (contraception, reproductive health, and the responsibilities of raising a baby) provided that abstinence is taught as the only 100% effective method.
Also, I am glad that this site allows both sides to post. I tried to post at Planned Parenthood and they refused my post. It made me incredibly mad, and now I want to be heard even more!
October 2nd, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Mary said:
My point here is that PP does not open their blog to non-PP supporters because PP appears to be afraid of our comments. And they have reason to fear. Truth is contagious! People who truly seek the truth will find it.
We, here at FVFAPP.org do not need to fear their criticism or their gloating. They had a small win in the opening of the PP facility, but that is not the end. We are still here and we will still work to defend life and the rights of all unborn children. And for the dignity of all men and women.
October 2nd, 2007 at 9:40 pm
Great Discussion!!
Eva seems to be craving attention, which is probably what leads to this issue we face.
Eva, I do NOT believe that being Gay is instinctive, I believe it is a choice.
I do not want innocent children to be taught how to be Gay, because it is a choice.
The rest of you have stated your cases as you see them.
Who among the Pro-Abortion crowd celebrates Abortion???
Patty Pro-Abortion, I am sorry, but Eva is clearly beating you in responses. Until you find some work at the clinic you should do better at egging us on.
October 2nd, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Annie asked this question: Why can't we ask Planned Parenthood to provide only non-abortion-related services at this clinic?
Because you don't get to dictate to businesses what services they offer. Nor do you get to tell people what services they can take advantage of. You don't get to tell me that since you think it's immoral that I shouldn't do it. It's my body and my choice. A few people with signs of disfigured fetuses will not stop a woman who has made the difficult choice to have an abortion.
One key issue that anti-choice people seem to ignore is that abortion is legal in this country. If you believe abortion is wrong, don't get one. The debate as to whether it's murder or not gets nowhere. No one will change their minds. If you want to change things, start with the legislature and try to change the law. It's unlikely you will win, but you can see your protests, propaganda and rhetoric are not changing anything.
October 2nd, 2007 at 10:09 pm
John says: "I believe the only one who knows truth is God. No other human being has the right to judge another. What was right and what was wrong will be decided at the end."
Hi John, I agree we are not to judge one another. I agree God is the author of truth. I will never judge someone's salvation; If someone tells me they are a Christian, I will believe them. I have to, for it is not my job to weed God's garden. However, I also believe we have been given discernment which we must use.
My wife's vocation dictates she be a "mandatory reporter". This means if she suspects a child is being abused, she has a legal obligation to report it. In the 10 years I've known her, she has reported at least one individual.
This summer, right here in Aurora, a middle aged African American was riding his bicycle down our street. A gang of five white punks came into the street, surrounding him. As he tried to leave, one kid took a swing at his head. (Thankfully, he was so drunk, he didn't connect.) I called the police.
Are my wife and I in violation of the scriptures for judging our neighbors? I don't think so. We saw injustices and did what we could. That's what we all need to do.
Did my wife try to force her morals on that angry parent? Sure she did! Did I force my belief system on that gang of thugs. I sure did! I did so for I want to do what I can to change injustice whenever I see it.
Injustice is also making the life of every unborn hinge in the whim of every mother's choice.
-NP
October 2nd, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Eva – Just a couple of things you touched on which I believe is relevant to this discussion. I cannot simply sit by when people make comments regarding free speech and freedom from government intrusion on their bodies. To this extent, I offer this -
First, the government can inhibit what you can do – even free speech; as you cannot yell “FIRE” in a crowded theater.
Second, the government can dictate what you cannot do with your body; as you cannot legally shot heroin into your veins.
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 pm
"Would people here support buying the land next to Aurora PP and putting up a Adoption Agency and Crisis Pregnancy Center?
Would you support time and money to the Adoption Agency and Crisis Pregnancy Center?"
Wouldn't that be awesome! I would support it 100%!
Colleen
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 am
Tiffany–
The reason people are even suggesting that PP separate their abortion services from the rest of their stuff is because of their own rhetoric. It's an argument I've heard time and again–"it's only 10% of our services. Why would you want to deny women health care?" (a false argument already, because the VNA and Aunt Martha's provide all of the services of PP). This is an argument used against the pro-life movement, and we are simply stating our willingness to support non-abortion services. In affect, I'm willing to call their bluff-but I'm confident they won't respond because, like you, they simply believe in abortion.
Regarding "my body, my choice" that is one of the most repellent and false battle cries ever to plague a movement. It is your body when you decide to have sex. But, once a baby is conceived, their is another body to consider. What are they forcibly removing during an abortion except another body? Another body with its own blood type and DNA and fingerprints and heartbeat and feelings? Once you are pregnant, there is a baby. A baby is not your own body and more than my two toddlers are my own body right now. It's false and wrong.
Also, we're not stupid. We know abortion is legal. Please stop implying that we do not know the laws of this country. But, just because it is legal does not make it right or moral.
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:33 am
mayorsoffice@aurora-il.org
Dear Mayor Weisner,
I am an Aurora citizen.
I live two blocks away from the new Planned Parenthood clinic.
I really wish you had stepped in to stop this place from opening.
I believe birth control should be available to women, but since this place offers abortion too, I get to think about all of the babies being butchered two blocks away from where I am raising my infant son.
I don't want to live in the city that has the "nation's largest planned parenthood (infanticide) clinic".
If this place doesn't close, or stop offering abortions, I am moving.
As of now, I am downright embarrassed to be a citizen of your city.
Please search your heart some more.
Sincerely,
Kristin
Aurora, IL
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:51 am
With regard to Planned Parenthood opening in her neighborhood, kristin says, "I believe birth control should be available to women, but since this place offers abortion too, I get to think about all of the babies being butchered two blocks away from where I am raising my infant son."
It is very important to note that many forms of artificial birth control (including the Pill) can actually cause very early abortions by preventing the newly conceived child from implanting in the lining of the womb. For more information on how artificial birth control works, go to the following web page:
http://www.all.org/issues_birthcontrol.php
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:49 am
I am Pro life and Proud of it however, I don't condone bashing people and pushing aborted fetus in front of abortion clinets. Do you know their situation? Do you know thier health problems? Do you know if they live with abusive family member? It goes down to this that pepole don't know why a woman has an abortion. Standing against abortion is one thing and standing with hatred and graphic signs is another. Your not going to be able to stop every abortion. There are other abortion clinics in Aurora and neighboring cities. Goe else where and defend life and leave these innocent woman that needs help in a crisis alone. What about alive babies? Do you support anything against murdring the out of womb and Born victims? What about If a teenager and or woman goes in a public bathroom and has a baby and flushes down the toliet or leave it by the dumpster?
What I am asking is why are you pushing hatred on these people? I am against planned parenthood myself and abortions but, I don't need to close a clnic just because my Church and my Bible and my family says it wrong.
You need a clinic like this for people that don't know any better. You need this for the woman that needs pap smeals and other health issues.
Also I read that abortion is the only recovery operation there is there. What about a D and C? What about an emercancy c section? What about a vesticomy? Come on now there is more then one use of the clinics recovery room sheesh.
Call me evil Christina pro lifer go ahead but, I just want to give my two cents worth.
Plus, this is in someones back yard. I used to work at Dominicks years ago next that clinic. If I was there I would be very upset going to work the last month and half.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:08 pm
I have forgot to mention that I am a formally An Aurora resident as you can tell I worked there years ago and I was Born and raised and Married. However, I am in Eastern TN and this is totally impacting the whole country and I remember that the City of Aurora was known as Waynes World and City of Lights. Now it's going t be known as city of slaughter and Planned parenthood debeate.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Hi Kay,
Thank you for the response. In regard to the graphic signage- Unfortunately, you will see them for as long as Planned Parenthood stays in our neighborhood. Although they are ugly- that is exactly what happens when unborn babies are aborted- they are dismembered and oftentimes beheaded. Although I choose to bow my head in prayer and offer a different witness- I fully support those who display such signs. This is a grassroots effort where upon thousands from this community and the out-lying areas have descended upon Aurora to voice their opposition to the Abortion Clinic that is responsible for such atrocities as the ones you refer to in the pictures……
Some display these graphic images b/c testimony after testimony we hear from woman nation and worldwide who did not have an abortion b/c of those pictures- testimony after testimony we hear from people who had a change of heart and recognize because of those pictures that abortion is never a choice. And testimony after testimony abortionists say they hate these signs b/c they rock their very conscience every time they have to look at one.
Abortion cannot be just a pretty "word" or a just a "choice". These babies have their lives end in such violent ways, and unfortunately the pictures reflect just that. Your anger is displaced at us who are trying to stop this assault on our young, and precious babies. My daughters have been at the other Aurora abortion clinic (we just closed-yeah!) almost every week- graphic signs in full view and woman bent over crying in pain and ashamed of just experiencing abortion. My dear daughters have never been horrified or disgusted, but rather saddened for their little brothers & sisters being harmed. Children look to their parents for a simple but loving explanation. You might be surprised how moved children can be ……..there are others who have children out there too- and never was it disgusting to them… Parents can do alot to win this current war……A simple "these people are out there trying to protect another child from being hurt like the pictures- let's pray for all these witnesses and for all mothers to choose to bring life to children."
Please do me this favor- read Jill Stanek's testimony The Case for the use of Graphic Pictures (Emmet Till & Abortion) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/947446/posts. It will shed a lot of light on the use of graphic pictures.
Jane
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Kay-
Try this…
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/947446/posts
the other didn't work. Otherwise do a search for The Case for the use of Graphic Pictures (Emmet Till & Abortion) by Jill Stanek on the freerepublic.com website.
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Kay- I do not believe any of us are "pushing hate" as you have called it. I have been to pretty much every pro-life rally that has occurred at this particular planned parenthood and all we have ever done is pray and sing loudly. Yes, there were 2 people if I recall being smart and saying nasty things but they were quickly asked to be peaceful and loving, and then we went back to singing/praying. I don't really see why you would view our prayers as hatred, because they are precisely the oppposite.
Elizabeth
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Kay-another thing. I would be upset the last month and half too if I worked at Dominick's. Except I would be upset at the right people: Planned Parenthood for building a baby-killing facility in a residential neighborhood. Not at the people exercising their right to peacefully protest.
Elizabeth
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Tell me why PP i bad for, per your words, "hispanics, blacks, minorities"? Aren't we all people? Why pick out those groups?
Sounds like veiled rasicm to me.
Sounds like shoving your beliefs down on other.
It appears to me that PP cannot effective what happpens in one's home unless one allows it.
FREE YOUR MIND!
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Denise,
I'm glad you asked your question, but I doubt that many people reading this will believe me. Although it is not at all difficult to do some research for yourself to discover some interesting facts about PP.
You asked:
Well, I don't mean to be veiled in my response. See if this quote here sounds at all racist to you:
You see, most people don't believe the facts about PP. PP was founded by Margaret Sanger, and even to this day, PP has two top awards named after her. (I don't recall the names, something like the "Maggie Award" and another one.)
Planned Parenthood was founded by a racist woman, and seems to specifically target minority communities. Aurora is packed with minorities. It's one of the reasons I like this town and that we moved to Aurora just this year. I embrace those of other races and cultures.
Shoving beliefs down other's throats is what PP is all about. Check out their teen web site. PP indeed has a "faith" and a philosophy. And they push it onto anyone and everyone. It's not just those here at FVFAPP that want to influence others. PP is all about it.
Who is the head of PP nowadays? It's Cecile Richards. And guess what her background is in. Healthcare? Wrong, it's in politics. Not healthcare.
My point is that PP is about a lot more than providing healthcare to needy women. Research them for yourselves. Don't believe me. Ask around. Google them.
Thanks for coming to this site and for participating.
God Bless,
Roger
October 3rd, 2007 at 4:03 pm
peacefully protest? how come I have someone each day emailing and calling me because she is afraid to be at her apartment down the road from the clinic because protesters are doing this.
I have Gospel Tracts by the way of Abortion and I stood in life chain 5 years ago on Galena while living up North in Aurora,IL.
I am proud to be pro life but pushing these evil pictures on innocent children that might have nightmares isn't great. Why don't you warn parents next time to not bring children around shopping in that time frame?
October 3rd, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Kay-
I am beginning to wonder about your pro-life record….hmmmmmmmmmmm…something sounds funny.
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:01 pm
I am not standing in front in public with Dead baby pictures saying abortion is murder. I do however would stand with a regular baby picture says abortion is murder.
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:29 pm
About the postcards:
We sent postcards to every residence in Aurora and Naperville—you're not on "our list" just because we sent you a postcard. The U.S. Postal Service does not require us—or anyone—to get "permission" from the addressee before sending a piece of mail.
We've received a few nasty e-mails calling the postcard "propaganda" and declaring that it is "full of lies," but not one single person has actually tried to establish the falsehood of any one of the statements made on that postcard.
About the abortion truck:
Just check out the license plates. I think they're California plates—in any case, that truck isn't from here. I doubt the driver visits this website.
But if Aurora is going to play host to the nation's largest abortion facility—and allow that not-for-profit abortuary to operate in contradiction to the zoning laws of the city—then we're all going to have to live with the fact that Aurora will be a regular stop for all manner of anti-abortion campaigns from all over the country—like the group from Milwaukee who were out on the street last week.
The long and short of it:
With regard to both the postcards and the graphic abortion signs: you don't have some kind of "right" not to be exposed to messages you don't like in the public square.
On the contrary: the First Amendment guarantees the rights of all citizens to express their opinions in the public square, whether out on the sidewalk or in your mailbox (which is federal property, by the way).
You can choose to ignore the message, to turn away or toss the postcard in the recycle bin. Or you can choose to oppose that message with a message of your own.
But to complain about the fact that a message you don't like is being presented is to complain about freedom of speech itself.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Kay-
For a "Pro-Lifer" — you sure don't sound very sympathetic towards that dear little baby on the poster who lost his/her life so violently….you know those aren't "reinactment" pictures- no my dear those are the real live pictures of aborted babies- please show a little mercy for those innocent lives. Those pictures do speak to the hearts of many…but evidently not yours.
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Eric,
I have been reading this site nearly daily. My wife and I would never have an abortion. I have to beg to differ with you. If the abortion truck you are speaking about is the red pickup truck with graphic large signs on each side and the back I saw it on Sunday. That truck picked up one of your "prayer warriors" around 430. The driver was a gray haired man probably in his 60's and he picked up a dark haired woman probably in her 60's as well. I have to say that claiming innocence on whose truck it is doesn't float with me. Secondly I have to agree with Kay. You could have had twice the amount of support from the local community. When I say local community I mean the people that could walk to the clinic from their house. If I had a dime for every neighbor of mine who is just so offended at the horrible photos that you all mention above they don't support your cause. What about the little children that you all make cry? What about the families that lost a baby due to illness? I know with your background you are used to the photos but you have to realize that many people never heard of Planned Parenthood and it really cost you a ton of support. I personally have learned more in the last 2 months than I ever cared to know. Lastly to Jane Celeste Fonner do you honestly believe that a rape victim should be forced to have a baby as I saw in a post yesterday? You would force a woman to carry the idea of a rapist's baby in her womb for 9 months? I won't even bring up the subject of incest too. Good luck to you but think about your fellow man the next time you put out one of those signs. No I didn't read Jill Stanek's post to be honest because I am tired of seeing the photos.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:04 pm
I myself tend to find the graphic images pretty disgusting. But isn't that the point?
We've had years and years of "legal" abortion in the US. What will wake us up to the atrocity that is happening?
When I went downstate to Obama's rally a while back, I held one of these graphic signs. A group of young African-American boys from some "prep-school" walked by and looked at the signs in dismay. They had heard of the word "abortion", but had NO idea what an abortion was.
All I could say to them was "It's disgusting, isn't it?"
They were speechless.
Rather than harp on the graphic signs - a visual representation of a "woman's right to choose", why not harp on the actual thing itself? What is worse, the sign or the action?
I'm sorry that these signs turn anyone off. But maybe they are needed to wake up the consciences of Americans?
PP is all "pretty in pink", but their true color is a deeper shade of red.
God Bless,
Roger
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 pm
"Lastly to Jane Celeste Fonner do you honestly believe that a rape victim should be forced to have a baby as I saw in a post yesterday? You would force a woman to carry the idea of a rapist's baby in her womb for 9 months?"
1st- how am I forcing "anyone"- I will submit that I pray for every life in the womb no matter how they were conceived because I know WHO the Creator of that life is regardless of the circumstance- Our Heavenly Father…. and to Him we owe the love, honor and courage to bring allow these children to live.
As I stated so clearly in my post:
"If we were to consider two infants, one conceived through marital intercourse, the other through forcible rape, would we say that one person was "more human" than the other?
Two wrongs do not make a right. A second wrong makes a bad situation worse.
Regardless of the father's identity, the woman is still the mother". Who knows the Joy and Healing that God would provide if only that life were allowed to be lived.
Yes, Ms. Jackson, I stand by my words. And I would be the 1st one in line to adopt that baby, too!:-)
Thanks for the opportunity to share,
Jane
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:43 pm
We christians need to pray and act on opening a sizeable christian healthcare center with christian counsel for women offering as much help and aid as possible (possibly help the PIC center with funding) We need to find a location as close to the Planned Parenthood vacinity as possible. Why shouldn't it be done through a group of churches in our city all working together on this one!
If we fight the battle to see Revival (holy spirit poured out) in our city/nation I believe this could be the strategy above all stragegies for total victory. Whenever God poured out His spirit and brought revival in certain regions many battles on many fronts were won. Addicts, prostitutes and crime plummeted and jail centers closed. Bars closed down and droves of people came into the church seeking to be filled with the Holy Spirit and turning their lives around for the glory of Jesus Christ. Even the schools shifted in what they taught our children and embraced christian values once again. Everything changes when Holy Spirit visits us in a great outpouring. Let our churches unite in prayer for "revival" in the city of Aurora! We need to start fighting the battles on loving one another and exalting one another above our selfs (including churches) and come together for a citywide outpouring of God's spirit. Let us not only come together and truly be brother and sister as individuals but as whole churches truly becoming the family of God in our city. When the harvest of lost souls come in there will be more than enough people to fill all our pews!! We will gain a mighty army for the Lord and have all the help we need to fulfill the call of God on us! Praise God!
Let Revival come Lord! Help us to work together and give us strategies that bring unity in the body of christ and bring a mighty outpouring of your spirit and kingdom invasion into our city/nation. Quickly…remove any existing spiritual and fleshly barriers that divide us. Remove the walls of religious doctrine that isn't producing the fruit that you are looking for, Lord, Let us not look at each others doctrine but focus on what you want to do Jesus. Bring us into the truth that sets us all free! Reveal to us your plan- purpose- destiny for our city/nation! Lord we cry out for a mighty visitation of revival and healing on our land! Give to us your gift of repentence. Send your Spirit…Send Revival Lord.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:04 pm
I am not craving attention, nor am I competing with anyone. I am just bringing attention to issues and concerns that many (not saying all) pro-choicer's have with the pro-lifer's.
When I raise the questions I have, it is to try to understand and create a facts only debate, without including religious beliefs or biblical references. Although I know that ones opinion is quite often strongly religiously based, it seems to me to be of great importance to keep discussions of this sort based on concrete info, and not references to religious figures, be it Jesus, Allah or Muhammed. As a previous comments states, sometimes one is forced into a situation which may force one to make a personal moral decision, rather than a religiously, morally based decision.
I too have my masters degree, in comparative literature, and I wrote alot about Jean Paul Sartre, whom was a very close and dear friend of S.d.B. And no, she did not "remove" women from the law by arguing that it was okay for them to commit murder, prostitute or molest children. Seriously… But seeing that nature created men and women differently, she did believe that a womans choice to terminate/not terminate was empowering, and on some levels transferred power back to women, from men. And if you are going to argue that young girls and teenager are being exploited, then it would be expected that they weren't used in your demonstrations. It seemes to me that one should at least be of reproductive age, and have "life experience" in order to protest such an important and difficult subject.
In my mind, even if you believe that being gay is a choice (something in which I strongly disagree), and you argue that anything is better than abortion, that isn't it better to allow gays to adopt if they are deemed equaly fit to adopt as a heterosexual couple? It's an either/or decision - if you are pro life, you can not make stipulations as to whom can/can not adopt
based on sexual preference. Eg: Only heterosexual couples, ages between x and x with income qualifications between x and x are allowed to adopt. In a way, isn't that than saying that women/couples that do not meet these qualifications should not have children in the first place…?
In a recent magazine ad, they interviewed the only female supreme court judge, and she voiced her frustration with regards to womens rights and abortion. We are constantly told what we can or can not do. Whom we can talk to, what we should eat. They tap our phones and track our every step. But they have never been able to comtrol individual will and opinion. They have tried, but have failed. After all, you are able to demonstrate in front of PP, and I am allowed to write on this webpage.
Regardless of circumstances, an abortion is a difficult, and personal descision, and only the person who choses/choses not to abort is the one who should be left with the moral dilemma and heartbreak of such a decision. You are allowed to practice your faith, and no, I am not allowed to shoot heroin up my veins. I am however allowed to terminate a pregnacy if I see fit, and should NOT be judged because of it.
P.S. This is actually one of the few forums that currently allow for discussion about this topic, so I applaude F.A.P.P for their open webpage.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Rape is one of the largest causes of action related depression and suicide among women. Rape victims are much more likely to be abusive. Rape victims are at higher risk for emotional and behavioural instability. After being traumented and exposed to such a horrible act, how can one enjoy ones pregnacy and parenthood with a constant reminder of the crime comitted? Do not judge until you have walked one day in another mans shoes…
As I was driving home tonight, another lovely picture caught my eye. A blow up of a bloody, decpitated head, seemingly missing half a brain.
We try to protect our children from most everything these days, and rightfully so. Parental controls on computers and tv in order to scorn our children from the at times harsh reality of the world we live in. We don't let them watch violent movies with bodyparts strewn all over the place, we can barely let them watch the news anymore with all the horrors going on in the world. Yet it is ok for full schoolbusses to drive past such a photograph? One thing is allowing these sorts of pictures in an adult only setting - after all, it is the reality of the situation and should not be hidden, another is letting innocent minds see. They will be exposed to more than enough, so let them keep their innocent minds as long as they can.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Eva –
I saw your post and wanted to respond. I consider myself a strong feminist and a pro-life supporter. I am a single person who has raised my own daughter entirely on my own following a 'surprise' pregnancy. I have never married,but have completed a masters degree and worked as the sole financial and care provider for my child.
I can't understand the professional feminist groups and the whole NOW crowd's promotion of abortion as a form of empowerment. Why should killing be seen as empowerment — anyone can choose to do that, man or woman. Only women can give birth, we are the only ones who have that ability. It is the real difference between the sexes and should be celebrated, not negated that advantage by encouraging abortion.
Empowerment, I think, is about seeking to change society for the better — bring about positive change. How better in empower than to nuture and influence a child. I strive to raise my daughter as a positive member of this world who sees men and women as truly equal and valuable.
It seems illogical that the feminist movement encourages abortion. From a totally political point of view, they are eliminating their own future generation — or at least thinning the ranks.
Also, because of the stringent stand in favor of abortion, NOW and other groups have really failed to help in larger issues. In China, female children are often aborted or killed at birth. NOW can't really take a stand about that, can they.
The current woman's movement is so stuck in the 1960's and 70's, so Boomer focused. Women are in the workforce, women in many positions of power — the world has changed. Aborting babies didn't get them there — it's voting and working as equals in the world. If only the movement focused on today's issues like equal work for equal pay or elevating the life of 3rd world women — then it may have a future.
Being against life is being against women. Let's all work at a society that works for the positive, not the negative.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Looks like our fine town DOES NOT listen to the rantings of your fanatic cult. "Planned Parenthood stopped more unwanted pregnancies (thus more abortions) than you've done in your entire lives." -Anonymous
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Anonymous … the above (that you wrote in your post) was in part a quote from Steve Trombley in Wednesday's Tribune. My husband and I are pro-life and are pretty amazed at how twisted Mr. Trombley is that he can even say that … although the "business" he is in has a lot to do with the result of his person. We pray for him; we hope he turns around in time to save his sorry soul.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:18 am
Regarding the graphic abortion posters, they remind me of the various images of martyred saints. And while they are, of course, painful to look at, they represent in actuality the miraculous gift of life - at such a tender young age - that Christ has bestowed to each and every one of us reading this page. That we allow our mothers in America to bloody up and destroy this life within them, yet cringe when one (even in Naperville!) kills off her kids in the "comfort" of their mother's womb … er, I mean home, creates a mixed-up thought pattern in all of us. Outside the womb, you are a sick monster to kill your kids. Inside the womb, you are a woman who has this very same "option" and are referred to as normal? What a cold cruel world we live in? It all starts with the senseless destruction of Christ's creations … and will end with our most certain death to darkness if we continue to embrace and allow it.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:55 am
Leviticus Jackson—Thanks for your remarks. I appreciate your taking the time to visit this site; clearly you're the kind of person that cares about his community.
However, I cannot agree with your analysis of our effort. My organizatoin has used graphic abortion pictures on precisely one day—the August 25 rally attended by over 1,300 area citizens. And we set up large Warning Signs positioned in all four directions to allow drivers to avoid the display.
During the 40-Day Vigil (which became a 55-Day Vigil), I made every effort to keep the graphic signs away. But I also received several calls and e-mails complaining about graphic abortion pictures when there were none—several people "saw" an abortion abortion when they beheld a beautiful picture of an eight-week-old unborn baby.
The Fox Valley Families group includes many who live in the immediate neighborhood of Planned Parenthood, as well as thousands throughout Aurora and the surrounding community. I started with 80 e-mail addresses and now send to 1,600. We've distributed over 3,000 yard signs. As grassroots coalitions go, this one is pretty amazing.
Leviticus, what you're really saying, it seems to me, is that if we didn't make anyone uncomfortable, we would have more local support. Our goal isn't to make anyone uncomfortable, but we've heard your same comment—"you'd get more sympathy if you didn't …"—with regard to even the prayer vigil itself; pro-life activism of any description makes people uncomfortable.
Why is that? Why does the sight of three or four elderly people praying the Rosary on a street corner near an abortion facility—without any signs of any kind—inspire drivers to rev their engines, swerve threateningly, shout obscenities and call the police?
If only the graphic signs brought out this kind of reaction, I might think you were right about them. But we've been called "disgusting" for holding signs with a picture of a six-month-old baby on them; and called "offensive" for passing out flyers on fetal development that don't even use the word "abortion."
We hear the objection, "What am I supposed to tell my kid about that abortion sign?"—but we also hear the objection, "What am I supposed to tell my kid about you standing on the sidewalk praying?"
So I have to conclude that the problem isn't the use of graphic images. It goes much deeper than that.
I would suggest that the real problem is a deep social guilt over the the crime of abortion. From our graphic pictures to our prayer vigils, our presence troubles the conscience of the nation.
That, anyway, is my take on it, based on my experience as a pro-life activist.
As to the abortion truck, I'm sure you don't mean to question my honesty. So the driver has made the acquaintance of some local pro-lifers—that doesn't alter the fact the he's from out of state and here on his own volition.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:12 am
Pictures of aborted babies are and will always be very difficult to look at. We would rather not show them, but as in the case of the Nazi holocaust victims, as in the case of Emmett Till in 1955, as in the case of the victims of the Khmer Rouge, or the concentration camp victims in the Serbian war on Croatia in the early 1990's, these images must be seen by as many people as possible. They tell the truth.
If the photos of aborted babies disturbs you, you have Planned Parenthood and other abortionists' baby-killing centers to blame. THEY are the ones who are killing these poor, precious infants.
I suspect that there will be some moderation in the display of the pictures. I have been out at the killing center site over the past month and a half on weekdays, evenings, weekends, and have only seen the big graphic pictures a few times. The opening of the killing center on Tuesday was a very good opportunity to show those photos because the mainstream news media were there in full force. They still refuse to ever show those pictures, but at least the cameramen and reporters see them. And the PP supporters see them. And God sees us all. He sees what is happening on the outside of the killing center, and He sees what is and what will happen on the inside of the killing center. And most of all, He sees into each and every soul of everyone, all the pro-life protesters, all the pro-abortion PPers, Steve Trombley, Eric Scheidler, me, you, everyone.
So we had better all do some very deep and honest soul-searching and see if we stand in the truth. The truth about abortion becomes easily self-evident when one looks at and studies the photos of the millions upon millions of victims of abortion: the tiny babies. There are also thousands of women who have died from LEGAL abortions. Women are dying all the time from LEGAL abortions. A young woman died this past September from a botched abortion at a Planned Parenthood out east, (New York, I think). The doctor is being sued for gross negligence and malpractice.
How many women is the Aurora Planned Parenthood killing center going to kill? Can Mayor Weisner and Steve Trombley and the Aurora city council accept responsiblity for the deaths of thousands of babies and some of the mothers going in there? And for the many souls who will be plunged into a terrible state of mortal sin, because Weisner made it easy for PP to open their dark doors of death?
Pray. Pray like your life depended on it. Pray for God's mercy: mercy on the city of Aurora; mercy on the promoters and providers of abortion at Planned Parenthood; mercy on the mayor of Aurora; mercy on all the women going into that killing center; mercy on all the people in Aurora, Illinois and the entire country. There is no way America can go on as a nation if it keeps killing its own children by the millions and millions every year. May God have mercy on us!
October 4th, 2007 at 6:21 am
If graphic photos of abortion are too much for anyone to look at, then maybe reading a description which compares the way the Nazis committed genocide on Jews and others during WWII, with abortion will convince any so-called "pro-choice" persons of the horror of abortion:
http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/summer_9905.html
October 4th, 2007 at 6:30 am
Library Betty-
I just wanted to say go girl! I am a single mom too going to school to be a nurse and be the sole financial and everything else provider for my daughter! And THAT to me is the most empowering thing a woman can do! It is amazing the things the human spirit can handle if we all trusted ourselves a little more!
Elizabeth
October 4th, 2007 at 8:20 am
For the record, the man with the graphic images on his little pickup truck is an independent crusader. He has no connection with Families Against Planned Parenthood or the Pro-Life Action League. I met him last Saturday, he was driving around and around the Planned Parenthood at La Salle and Division in Chicago. He just goes where he thinks he's making an impact. No one invited him to Aurora. And yes he is from California, but doesn't really live there now. The phone no. on the truck is a Michigan number,-a friend of his who takes calls for him.
October 4th, 2007 at 8:41 am
It is interesting that the conversation would turn to the holocaust the day after viewing that particular episode of Ken Burns' series on WWII. The horrible images of what allied soldiers found when liberating those death camps should never be forgotten. The tough part for us is to view them, but view them we must because to ignore them would be to our own peril.
So too with the question of showing the reality of what abortion does to the unborn. It is not a pretty sight. We are blessed to live here in peace, our lives untouched by the reality of extreme poverty and violence which afflicts much of the world. We really do not want to see those things any more than we want to see the gruesome reality of abortion.
When asked about the reality of the death camp outside their city the residents claimed ignorance, right down to the local vicar. The allied troops found that incredible, as the stench of death permeated the air for miles. So the commander of the liberating force had all of the residents come through the camp and view firsthand what they had for so long willfully ignored.
What excuse do we have? No longer are there references as in the early 1970's to abortion as merely the removal of "globs of tissue" and "fetal matter". Even though some were fooled by those characterizations then, we don't have that excuse today. The new ultrasound technologies offer incredible images that leave no doubt. And the scary thing is that there are those who almost boastfully say that even though they do know abortion kills a baby they still are in favor of abortion. Fortunately, those are in the minority, but many are so caught up in the "choice" rhetoric so as to have lost sight of that reality.
October 4th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Eric,
Thank you for your reply and let me correct something. I was not challenging your honesty I was challenging your facts. As leader of an organization I am surprised you didn't know about the abortion truck man. I understand every general doesn't know every private but as Paul was kind enough to point out that sure seems like somebody knows this man. What is great about this country is that people can protest and disagree and that is legal. In many countries people could be hung for that. As a person who lives within walking distance and somebody who passes by the clinic every day I have to beg to differ with you on one more issue. On the average there has been a horrible abortion photo about once a week. I know at your rally you did put a warning sign up there and I do tip my hat to whoever thought of the warning sign. There is one man who I would guess in his mid to late 40's with a moustache and light brown hair who must have a collection of them. He was there all day Monday and by 6pm there was another man holding the sign and resting his head on it like it was a day in the park. They face the sign so people in the cars can see it as they drive on Oakhurst. I wish you well in your quest but this issue won't be solved in our children's children's lifetime until you all get your pro choice candidates elected. By the way the community never minded the praying they did mind the photos. It was discussed at many associaton meetings. I know with your background you are used to it but this community isn't and hopefully won't have to be. Keep brewing the beer!
October 4th, 2007 at 10:31 am
I am 100% pro-life and have spent many hours at the now-closed "clinic" on Galena and at this one on Oakhurst. I feel very blessed to be able to be one of Our Lord's soldiers in this great spiritual battle! I am covered with his armour and my weapon is the rosary and prayer, both peaceful but powerful! As far as the pictures are concerned, Fr. Pavone always says that aborition will not stop until we see what abortion is!! How true that is. We are now horrified as we look at the pictures of the Holocast and all proclaim that we would never let that happen again…however, it is happening…right here in Aurora and all over the world. We all look at the crucifix everyday….it is a reminder of Jesus' great sacrifice for all of us…he has redeemed us by his passion and death. The crucifix is not pretty to look at and reminds us of our sinfulness, but we look at it to remind us how blessed we all are and how we must sacrifice our comfort (looking at the pictures of aborted babies) so that we will be strengthed to go out and put an end to this horrible sin. At the same time, I will be happy to bring pictures of my two beautiful nephews that were just born a few months ago so everyone can look at two beautiful baby boys who just left their mothers' wombs!
October 4th, 2007 at 10:51 am
Why Do I seem like I am not Pro life if I am offended by Aborted baby pictures? Your scaring all of the Aurora and surrounding area with those pictures. i have websites that has more aborted babies on them and I send them to people but that is an adult and in private of my own home. Not in public and not pushing it.
Will this protesting continue the next few weeks? Because I am going to be coming to Aurora next week and I don't want my visit be upset over protesting.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:13 am
I wouldn't say that we are scaring ALL of Aurora, my family and grandchildren are from Aurora and Batavia and we are offended by the fact that abortion is legal. We are not detered by the pictures and yes, they are horrible to look at. It doesn't scare my teenagers or my young grandchildren, it makes them want to save the babies and heal the mother and fathers. They ask me to take them there so they can pray. I never like looking at the pictures, but I don't want any baby to go through that.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Kay-
Yes, we will all be there as long as this death camp remains open….but we'd prefer to call it "witnessing for life" rather than protesting…Our heads are bowed with hope & prayers for all those involved in the killing of the preborn….and even those who choose to carry those signs are called "witnesses" as their charitable time is spent standing in opposition and as a reminder to those who would call such a violent death "a mere choice".
Today my 3 year old daughter and I knelt to kiss "that graphic" photo you refer to. We did this as an act of reverence to the dear, innocent child snuffed from his mother's womb so violently. His little head hanging by a forceps. My daughter is always saddened to see that baby picture and willingly knelt to pay tribute to her deceased sister in Christ- never disgusted. Perhaps we all can learn from the littlest among us.
We welcome you to join us in prayer at the clinic when you pay another visit to Aurora.
With prayers, Jane
October 4th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Your acting like Abortion is only in your area. I as a former Aurorian know that there are worse places in the country that does more murdering.
I pray for the unborn without Rosery's and equipment. I pray to the Lord in my daily mediations and Bible reading. I even have a Bible study why Abortion is wrong. It just that those pictures are to be toned down a bit.
I didn't get it did all of Aurora Residents get those info? My parents lives in West of Aurora and I am not sure if that side got that info.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:35 am
Oh one more thing I am sorry I am sounding to harsh just that I don't like to see my two friends hurt by the pictures they seen. They understand your cause and I do to however, there is a right way and wrong way to show people.
Yes, I would use those pictures but to show the person that considers having an abortion.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:38 am
God Bless you Kay….keep praying…The Lord will answer our prayers. God Bless you Jane and your beautiful little daughters. Hope to see you and witness along side of you. Jesus has set my heart on fire with love for him and my neighbor(and the babies and their parents) as he wishes the whole world was!!!
October 4th, 2007 at 11:47 am
Kay - Hopefully the prayer warriors in Aurora will continue until PP moves out! It's too bad that you are upset by the photographs, but showing these pictures to your friends via the computer in the privacy of your own home probably doesn't do a heck of a lot in helping to save lives. As long as abortion is HIDDEN, it will remain the dark evil extraordinary sin that it is. To be honest, I'd rather see more (not fewer) posters featuring children that have been aborted. In fact, why don't we set up a camera over PP's dumpster and project some live dead shots. When are people going to GET it? Abortion is murder and until the majority of us stand together on this, it will remain a [very] dark spot on America.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:48 am
Kay,
Have a safe trip back home. I sense the pain in your words and I agree with you but as a parent we choose different ways to raise children. I for one can't bring my child to the clinic because of those photos and Jane has her child kiss the horrible photos. I couldn't do that but she can and God Bless her for that. I hate the photos and so far haven't really heard a good reason why the point can't be made without it but that is why life is what you make of it.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:54 am
Yes I agree with you Levaciious. I am not a parent yet however, We are working on our first. Some people we know would say abort it. I say I am not aborting a child we been wanting for 5 years now. My husband is alittle older then I am and I am turning 30 next month. So I feel I am reading for a few babies. I used to take Birth Control for medical reasons however, I gave it up to God and he is help me in my illiness of irregular monthlys. I know this is off the subject but wanted to pointed out that I am not to evil and I am also Pro life.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Leviticus, if a mom tells her child it's not a good idea to smoke cigarettes, how much does the child actually pay attention especially if he/she does not smoke (yet doesn't care all that much if others do)?
If she, however, points out and displays a recent photo of "grandma" who has smoked for 37 years, is frequently on oxygen, has had two strokes, one bypass, grapples for breath and looks like hell, and is only 53 years old, will the child then listen a little better? And maybe even point out to others the dangers of smoking? I would think that would be the case, at least somewhat. If there are those that are ambivalent to abortion that pass by a poster featuring an aborted baby, well, maybe they will think some more about abortion and eventually see it what it truly is. That is the hope of the pro-lifer … and the hope of Our Risen Lord.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Leviticus, and anyone interested,
Here is a webpage with numerous articles explaining and defending the use of graphic images of aborted children to convert hearts and change minds:
http://priestsforlife.org/articles/graphicimages.html
A very brief article,
"Visual Learning and the Culture of Life"
is by Dr. Alveda King, niece of the late Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., and an outspoken pro-life leader, who herself had two abortions. Also, be sure to read her short piece titled:
"How Can the Dream Survive?", link to it from the African American Outreach Page link in the previous article mentioned.
On this feast day of St. Francis of Assisi, may I wish everyone: "Peace, and all Good!" "Pax et bonum"
October 4th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Thank you, Pro-Lifers, for the motivation to take action!
I live on the far East side of Aurora. I've started keeping a talley-sheet on my dashboard. Every time I see the red abortionmobile, I put a mark on the sheet. Each mark represents a dollar I will donate to Planned Parenthood at the end of October.
October 4th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Jane Ann—While I think your generosity is misplaced, I commend you for it.
October 4th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Hi All!
I have been posting blogs on the Beacon Blog Site- Misrepresentation, but no fraud BY DAVE PARRO. I could use a little help. A delightful lady named Elena has many questions and I am limited lately with time to respond.
Thank you!!
Jane
October 4th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Jane Ann - We also like your charitable spirit! My children came up with the idea of matching your donation. Of course they would like to sent their money to a pro-life group. Let us know how much we should send.
A message from my 13 year old son: We went to the abortion clinic in aurora and prayed for an hour on 2 occasions and plan on going back. I don't like the graphic pictures either but I think people need to see them.
October 4th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Jane, I think I was kicked off the Beacon Blog site awhille back for mentioning God, or I'd be there for you. I just got caught up on my reading of this blog site and would like to give Library Betty a hug. What a great testamony!
Nobody is more grossed out by thoes pictures than I am. I've had a very weak stomach from the day I was born or should I say conceived. I have prayed at Planned Parenthood numerous times and I can honestly say I have never fully looked at those pictures. I choose to avert my eyes. I really do see both sides of this issue. The photos are trying to say, Hey, this isn't a glob of tissue it's a baby don't you know, just look. I don't need to see to believe, but there are visual learners out there. I live in the neighborhood too and have seen the truck. I'm not trilled with it but they won't be here anymore when Planed Parenthood leaves. Aborted babies bother me alot more than the truck. When I was at the abotion site today someone was telling me that a worker had seen huge garbage disposal equipment in this building, (to grind up the bones of the babies) this will become part of our drinking water. It just gets worse by the day.
October 4th, 2007 at 9:02 pm