You do indeed bring interesting questions to the debate. Questions I have discussed with so many women over the past month or so. Abortion, contraception etc., It is legal and there is a market. I grew up in the inner city…..I got birth control at P.P. Do I advocate that for a 15 yr. old? Do I advocate abortion for a 15yr. old?….or younger? No I do not.

I realize that socio-economic status is not the only pre-requisite for sexual activity. Those with money and the mind set that all recreational activity is a natural born right, will frequent planned parenthood. Those just "fooling around" will go to planned parenthood. Is that good? No. Does shining the flashlight on that behavior vilify the messenger? No. It should draw attnetion that to those rights that we all discuss comes responsibility. Without responsibility freedom is abused…lost. If you can't defend your behavior or your business based on it's merits then admit to failure. Failure of character, failure of faith. Are we all so indebted to sin that we can't say that? That sexual relationships at young ages when we are not mature enough to handle consequences with people we have no real love for is WRONG.

Is is hypocritical for me to think this way? No…by God we are supposed to actually get smarter as we age. Think back on what you did and learn to do differently, allow that knowledge to change our future. Not look back and JUSTIFY all our behaviors as our "rights" and move foward with no knowledge or path to correct that behavior. Indulged and entitled masses with no responsibility. Hmmmmm. sounds about right.

Education is a term that pro choice people use a lot. I tell them that education comes from a source, if the source is lying then how good is it? Were the German people educated correctly by Hitler? Are those in the deep south that believed and believe that afro- americans are less than human educated? They would say so? Yes. Are those who are told that when you feel like having sex it's ok to do so educated? No they use how someone is feeling as a basis for justification and fact.

All points of view learn from the other but it does not sway me from what is right. People make MISTAKES and giving them the easy out and no lasting support is wrong. It will never change the situation. As humans we are all swayed by our emotions and the here and now. Planned Parenthood makes a living off of that fact. They don't advocate for abstinence, they advocate for anal and oral sex as safe sex. They administer low dose birth control for minors then take care of the "problem" that ensues.

Is it here and legal…yes. Should it march on and over countless people without oversight, regulation and responsible legal and moral behavior….NO. The paperwork they failed to disclose was INTENTIONAL. That deception as well as their tactics to malign the opposition and the tactics to "educate" people who are not ready to engage in sex is deplorable. Permits or not they don't get a free ride on my watch.

That's education….a moral, spiritual, legal and ethical one. Throw in some personal experience and a dash of civic responsibility (huh? what's that?) and you have a point.

We do owe it to those less fortunate to advocate for them. There is no future if people don't learn and correct BEHAVIOR. Not just clean up and feeble attempts at prevention. I could tell you people have right to drink….but not drink and drive. People have a right to protect themselves…but not endanger others in the process. All rights have responsibilty and is inclusive of the solo party….when it affects others (the unborn, the community) than there are many voices are entitled to speak.

Will Planned Parenthoods be around forever? If it's legal I assume so, however I expect oversight and responibility from this business towards minors to be examined and I expect well meaning christians to be a part in that process for life. Shining the light on the behavior…shining the way, the truth and the light. Someone has to do it.

It's my understanding that this facility does have a crematorium in it. I read that a resident of the neighborhood said that he is tired of seeing pro-lifers outside of the building. Wait until the clouds of smoke loft into his windows and leave soot on his patio. Do you think he'll 'get tired' of smelling the cremated remains of aborted children?

At least that's more respectable than the old-fashioned way of disposing of their remains by putting them into an industrial garbage disposal and into the public sewage system.

Is that something that the City of Aurora should have been told about in the permit process? Do you think that might have had an impact on the permit granting decision?

So, please tell, why wouldn't you ever have an abortion? Why is it that after 34 years of legalized abortion we have people like Steve Trombley saying that it's good to prevent abortion, thus stigmatizing his patients even further? He brags that PP does more to prevent abortion than all of the pro-lifers ever will. Aside from insulting the intelligence of everyone who hears that, why does he want to prevent abortion?

It's because everyone knows that it is killing a child and that killing a child is indefensible. It should be prevented. It should be prevented the same way that slavery is prevented.

//Does nothing but good for people??? Tell that to the millions of aborted souls. Tell that to the women who have mental breakdowns because they are responsible for the loss of human life. Tell that to the young women who suffer physically because of this invasive procedure. Tell that to the young men and women who receive approval for relatively casual sex and end up with a disease or a death sentence despite all of the well-intentioned advice. Tell that to the judge when he is made aware that PP representatives concealed sexual abuse cases from the law.//

I NEVER said I would have an abortion OR that I think it's right. HOWEVER the women and men who made who had an abortion MADE THAT DECISION ON THERE OWN. Whatever you do has a consequence. Yea, they regret it now…but what about when they made the decision in the first place? They didn't think about it and went ahead and had unsafe sex without regarding what might happen. So I have no respect for those people and I don't have sympathy for them. They made a conscious decision to do what they did and they KNEW what they were doing. They made a conscious decision to have sex without protection, and have the abortion. OBVIOUSLY, abortion was the right decision for them when it came down to it, correct? And now they are saying they regret it and are sorry? No, I don't think so. If they had any respect for themselves and what they might bring into this world, they wouldn't have put themselves in that risky position in the first place.

Again, with regards to your 'casual sex' comment…even with all the advice in the world, people are still going to do what they want to do. So again, IT WAS THERE CHOICE! They went ahead and had unprotected sex and got sick. There problem. And you know who's still there for them to give them help and much needed medicine? Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood doesn't say "HEY! GO HAVE SEX!". They, in fact, support restraining from sex. HOWEVER, when people make THERE OWN CHOICE in whatever matter it is, they had better be prepared for the consequences. I'm greatful Planned is there to help them through it and to provide the protection services they need as someone chooses there own path.

//If we don’t explain to women what abortion really is, who will? Planned Parenthood certainly won’t!//

Actually, Planned Parenthood has registered, REAL doctors on site who, before doing the abortion, REQUIRES there patients to go through counseling first in both the medical aspect and MENTAL aspect of having the procedure. They are sent to a professional psychiatrist who talks to them about this important decision first and after that, it's up to the patient what to do. So yes, they are given all the facts ahead of time and are even sent to a psychiatrist to evaluate the situation before they are allowed to take action. AGAIN IT'S PERSONAL CHOICE! EVERY ACTION HAS A CONSEQUENCE! It's time you started understanding that. That is why I don't sympathize with those who fully understand what they are getting into, and yet still go through with it. However, I respect there RIGHT to make the there own choice.

Planned Parenthood is a blessing to alot of people, myself included. No one is perfect, and it seems to me that anyone who criticizes when something doesn't go as planned, needs to get off there high horse and realize that. I'll be a continued supporter, and so long as we are around, Planned Parenthood will be as well. It's freedom of choice people…you take away someone's right to choose, what's next? How about banning books that you don't agree with? How about banning TV shows that you don't like? Wake up people.

Again, will anyone give me a valid responce to my initial comment and question? Hm…

Excellent observation on how contraception really works. Here's a couple of websites which explain it…

Can contraception cause early abortions?

http://all.org/article.php?id=10217&PHPSESSID=d6c4aac5ba558445f33333c239f77391

VIDEO: Animates Pill = Potential Embryonic Abortion.

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/05/both_plan_a_and.html#comments

Listen to Chastity Education Talk by Jason Evert online.

http://www.pureloveclub.com/seminars/index.php?id=3

Mike

We need a rebirth in chastity, where women and men will come to realize their bodies and their sexuality are intended as gifts from God to be given to their spouses. Does that mean married women should have dozens of children? Not necessarily. There is an alternative: Natural Family Planning (not the “rhythm” method). It's based on sound science (fertility specialists recommend it for achieving pregnancy because it identifies times of fertility.) It's 100% safe, over 99% effective at avoiding pregnancy when need be, and is marriage-building. You can learn more from the Couple to Couple League, http://ccli.org/

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