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More Planned Parenthood Deceit – Investigation into PP's Supposed 'Public Notice' to Aurora Earlier This Year

Posted by JT on Thursday, September 20th, 2007

times-1.jpg Once again… after a little digging we find yet ANOTHER example of Planned Parenthood’s deception in the media. After his arrogant and open admissions of deception were published in newspapers and blogs across the country, Chicago PP CEO Steve Trombley has recently taken to the airwaves in an effort to re-spin the truth.

With his recent admission to the Chicago Tribune that “Frankly, I'm surprised we were able to keep it a secret for so long" still echoing in the ears of the Aurora community, Trombley now has the gall to claim just the opposite – claim that Planned Parenthood WANTED the city of Aurora to know they were moving into town, and bringing an abortion super-clinic with them!


How could he possibly hope to pull this off? Well, he now claims that Planned Parenthood took out newspaper ads and held a public hearing to inform the community of their intent, and takes every opportunity to sell this story to the media. Trombley apparently assumed that nobody will take the time to validate his claims (which makes sense, considering the typical media outlets rarely question what PP says). Well, Mr. Trombley was wrong this time, and what we find shows once again that Planned Parenthood’s M.O. is to deceive at every turn…
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Trombley is quoted in yet another newspaper below, giving the impression that Planned Parenthood used newspaper notices and public hearings to make their intentions well know to the Aurora community:
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Well it took a lot of searching, but we finally tracked down the newspaper ad that Trombley loves to talk about – the ad he sells to the media as “proof” that PP made their coming presence known to the citizens of Aurora. This is the April 20, 2007 edition of the Chicago Sun-Times, where the ad was placed for just a single day. If you’re having a hard time identifying the PP announcement in this picture, you’re not alone – the newspaper ad that Trombley holds up as a shining example of PP’s desire to be known is easy to miss. VERY easy to miss.

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First, not only did we have to track down the lone edition of the Sun-Times to carry the ad, but it was buried deep in the paper on page 74 of the not-quite-headline-news classified section.

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But even if you find the right page, on the right day, in the right paper, you still need some help to find the ad. It isn’t exactly placed in a high profile location – it’s the one to the left of my finger in this picture, between a summer food program advertisement and Ziggy.

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I’ve outlined the advertisement in red to make sure you have the right one – yes, this flashy ad is how Trombley supposedly heralded the coming of Planned Parenthood to Aurora.

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And even when you find it, good luck reading it without your glasses – this miniscule font reminds me of viewing microfiche without a reader.

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I actually had to blow the ad up to LARGER THAN ORIGINAL SIZE so you could read it. Notice that the words “Planned Parenthood” are mentioned only once within the lines of legalese – odd, considering how Trombley plays up the advertisement as Planned Parenthood’s big announcement to Aurora. Also notice that Planned Parenthood didn’t even put the ad in the paper! The advertisement was a legal necessity for the bond hearing, and was placed in the paper by the Illinois Finance Authority… NOT by Steve Trombley and Planned Parenthood. And the “public hearing” that Trombley has referred to in the media? Well we now know that it was a bond review to help Planned Parenthood finance their new building – not exactly the kind of event to actually attract the public. And the meeting was held in Springfield, IL, a distant venue for Aurora citizens located in the outskirts of Chicago.

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The deceitful nature of Trombley’s claims become even more evident when we recall the smear ad placed in the Aurora Beacon by Planned Parenthood. Here are some side by side comparisons of the smear ad from the Beacon and the classified ad Trombley touts as their big announcement to Aurora.

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The classified write-up is dwarfed by the full-page smear ad that PP placed in the Aurora Beacon – their misleading image of a charred abortion mill is as large as the entire “public notice”! And the Beacon ad was placed in section A, page 8 of that paper – a far cry from page 74 of the classified section.

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I’ll end this with a few questions for Steve Trombley and Planned Parenthood:

1) Why was your “public notice” smaller than a playing card and buried deep in the classifieds section? You ponied up the money for a full page smear ad against the pro-life citizens of Aurora – why not make the same effort to inform them you were coming in the first place?

2) Why place a “public disclosure” for the citizens of Aurora in a Chicago newspaper? You sure knew to place your smear ad in the Aurora Beacon when you really wanted the citizens of Aurora to get your message.

3) Why is the notice signed by the Illinois Finance Authority when your media interviews indicate that Planned Parenthood published the ad? Maybe you didn’t actually want that ad out there, but you
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I would have expected that PP logo (the one that’s jumbo-sized in the smear ad) in any advertisement you actually sponsored.

I’m not really expecting Trombley and Planned Parenthood to send me any answers… but I know enough not to trust them if they did.

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Reposted from www.myspace.com/sidewalkcounseling


Video clip of Eric Scheidler's impassioned defense against the PP smear ad.

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36 Responses to “More Planned Parenthood Deceit – Investigation into PP's Supposed 'Public Notice' to Aurora Earlier This Year”

  1. Paul says:

    Superb job Jeff!

    September 20th, 2007 at 4:32 am
  2. Guest says:

    WOW!!! Thanks for this!

    September 20th, 2007 at 8:41 am
  3. sa says:

    Who knew there could be so much deceit and flip-flpping in one company?!

    September 20th, 2007 at 11:04 am
  4. sm says:

    You guys are all morons. This is a constitutionally legal facility. If you have a problem with that, talk to your legislature, but let people that do legal things keep doing their things, whether it be preventing unwanted pregnancies or selling computers. Become EDUCATED. There is no LEGAL OBLIGATION to alert the public through newspaper ads of any company's arrival. WHy should PP be held to a higher standard?

    September 20th, 2007 at 11:16 am
  5. Jeff Eschbach says:

    I never claimed that there was a legal obligation to inform the public. But if he goes to the media and CLAIMS that he DID inform the public with this ad, and is lying about it (like he is), then I am going to refute it. TROMBLEY is the one who went to the media and referred to this article and claimed it was an important, open declaration to the public… I simply showed that he is lying. I say nothing about a legal obligation here — I simply proved that he's trying to deceive us (once again).

    September 20th, 2007 at 11:34 am
  6. HR says:

    Hi SM,

    >Why should PP be held to a higher standard?

    They shouldn't be, but like everyone else, the law indeed applies to them, too. The folks here have documented that fraud occurred. What the penalty should be may be up for debate; but as a resident of Aurora, I hope it is substantial. Believe it or not, I'd feel the same way regardless of the nature of the business; I don't want restaurants, clothing stores, or even churches intentionally circumventing existing laws and the scrutiny of elected officials.

    HR

    September 20th, 2007 at 11:36 am
  7. Jeff Eschbach says:

    Also, do remember that communities have a right to decide what businesses move into their area… a town has the right to refuse a gun shop from moving in, or a strip club, or the headquarters to the KKK… in the same way, they have a right to refuse Planned Parenthood. We do not want to hold PP to a higher standard. We simply want them held to the same standard.. a standard that requires honesty on applications to establish a business.

    September 20th, 2007 at 11:37 am
  8. Renee says:

    Openline reports PP stays closed for now!!

    September 20th, 2007 at 11:56 am
  9. Erin says:

    SM

    The point in this discussion is not whether abortion is legal, or whether PP is legal, or whether there is a legal obligation to notify Aurora of the abortion facility. The point is this: Trombley is using this ad among many other false arguments to make the point that "everybody" should have known that Geminii and PP were the same entity. He states that it was right there in the paper, that it was right there in front of everyone at the Illinois Finance hearing. Therefore, Trombley would say, there can be no allegations of fraud. He is in fact spinning this evidence to counter the fraud charge now that the City and even the Judiciary are taking the situation seriously. That is our problem with his current line of explanation. He has repeatedly said that PP did deliberately keep PP a secret to protect itself from extraordinarily violent people like me–you know, educated, intelligent, stay-at-home Moms, who cry if they get so much as a speeding ticket. We're a dangerous bunch. But I digress. He is changing his tune now, taking notices that were in fact legally required and published in the most unobtrusive manner possible, and using these as evidence that, although Geminii said they did not know who the tenant was, they were not lying because "everybody" should have known, because these "ads" told them.

    I am pro-life, and I hope that PP never opens. However, I would have little reason to think that this hope would become a reality were it not for PP's chronic misjudgement. They foolishly sought to avoid bad press (not violent people, mind you, because the protests have been entirely peaceful) by lying to the City Council. You can't do that. They're caught now, and they now have to admit that the fraud charge is serious. Like it or not, SM, so do you. A judge just ruled that the charges are serious enough to prevent PP from opening until the legal review is complete. If you don't like it, argue with the judge–he's probably a lot more informed than I am.

    September 20th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
  10. HR says:

    Yeah!

    Here is one report:

    http://www.wbbm780.com/Judge:-Planned-Parenthood-Stays-Closed-For-Now/971744

    HR

    September 20th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
  11. Rebecca says:

    Great job!! You will also notice the DATE of this notice….one year after the building is DONE.

    Planned Parenthood was at the same time applying for it's financing bond and so they placed this add….really this is the first piece of evidence that prior to this ad their was NO link between the two entities(P.P. and Gemini). They never used the two together on any permits…so they came out when they wanted money and this was a downtown paper not local.

    The dates are sooooo relevant here. THis was all 2007 and the names and dates on our local stuff is all 2006. They used the small arm of local government to evade and decieve and then the larger arm of government to get the $$. I take it Blogdonavich did not double check with Mayor Weisner before he signed their bond……or did he?

    September 20th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
  12. Rebecca says:

    Blogger #4…sm….

    They are not being held to a "higher standard", they are being held to THE standard. Disclosure. How long has planned parenthood been around? They know the deal…if you can't take the heat, get out of the game. Don't lie, fraud and decieve to obtain your agenda.

    There are many issues here, but the fact that this facility came to be WHERE it is and HOW is not to be viewed lightly. This is our community and we have rights as well. If you have never attended a city council meeting and heard all the planning that goes into a McDonalds you would understand that this company has things intrinsic with it that cause issues that a community should be aware of and have a voice on for their own protection. There was no voice of concern or opposition for this building….it was silenced by lies.

    If we are discussing rights and a voice, then that includes mine and those prayerful and devout people at that abortion clinic. 13 recovery rooms, 22,000 sq. feet…bullet proof glass. Did I not have he right to know I am going to buy groceries and videos where bullets could be flying? They needed to be able to speak on those concerns and have this dialog prior to now. The answer is a solid yes. Planned Parenthood wield words like a magician. Illusionary. Not to be trusted, not in my backyard.

    They admitted the deception…there is no way to take that away. Justice is justice, truth is truth. They can deal with any penalty for that…like any other business would/should.

    September 20th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
  13. sm says:

    There shouldn't be a comparison of the ad sizes they put out. I don't think you can go by or should trust or doubt comments made in the media, regardless of who made them. Go by the facts on paper. Regardless of what he considers is a "public notice," even if he did give a "proper" notice, it still wouldn't matter. It depends on what they (PP) put down on paper.

    I too am pro-life, but that is not an issue to be brought up in this way. That's how we lose credibility (see the Chicago Tribune editorial this morning).

    Could you honestly say this firestorm would have happened if they were not named planned parenthood and they performed everything but abortions?

    September 20th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
  14. HR says:

    "Did I not have he right to know I am going to buy groceries and videos where bullets could be flying?"

    Ha, Rebecca, you are genius!

    HR

    September 20th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
  15. Dawn Kararo says:

    SM – i don't have time to reply in full to your post now as i am a busy mom with 4 very young children HOWEVER i do want to tell you the same thing i tell my kids – name calling is never appropriate and will never solve anything. I would suggest that the next time you post you leave the word "moron" out if it and try to stick to intellictual debate.

    Jeff – very interesting post. It certainly does a fine job of highlighting PP's standard M.O. They are the masters of spin!

    September 20th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
  16. HR says:

    Hey SM,

    "Could you honestly say this firestorm would have happened if they were not named planned parenthood and they performed everything but abortions?"

    I can personally attest this issue has lit a spark under at least one long-dormant pro-life activist. So, yes at least for me, who they are is a factor; where they are is a factor in my interest. What they did remains the largest factor.

    However when anyone steps over the legal threshold, I hope there are consequences. I need there to be consequences, for I am one who hopes to live in a civil and peaceful society.

    HR

    September 20th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
  17. Jeff Eschbach says:

    I think it is also important to remember WHERE this was published. Just because something is in print, does not qualify it as a disclosure to the community. If I publish something in the Tucson AZ paper, I would not expect New York to know about it. When PP WANTED Aurora to know about something, they posted it in the AURORA paper. Although if you think about it, PP never posted a thing… Trombley is using this IFA announcement to give the appearance that PP made it known… seems pretty clear that he was grasping at straws to refute claims that he was hiding the clinic from Aurora, and this was the best he could come up with.

    September 20th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
  18. Paul says:

    Does anyone happen to know what engineering firm was involved in designing the "fortress"? I assume this is public information. I am an Illinois registered professional engineer. I am disappointed that PE's would involve themselves in something like this. Reminds me of the engineers who designed the Auschwitz furnaces… http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Prufer.html

    September 20th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
  19. Jeff Eschbach says:

    > Could you honestly say this firestorm
    > would have happened if they were not
    > named planned parenthood and they
    > performed everything but abortions?

    Could you honestly say that this firestorm would have happened if Planned Parenthood had been honest and followed the same standards as other businesses in Aurora? I put the blame squarely on their shoulders for not answering honestly like any other business would — they need to realize that they are not above the law and do not deserve special treatment.

    I'm not sure how it will all play out, but at least for now there was one federal judge who agreed that PP is not above the law and should follow the same standards as other businesses… let's be grateful for that tonight!

    September 20th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
  20. Paul2 says:

    Praise to our Lady of Good Counsel for guiding our judges and councilmen to wise and prudent decisions toward the sanctity of life and promoting family values.
    One more day Aurora is spared the evil of living their lives next door to men who provide the so called necessary health services of kill their babies by tearing them out the womb a piece at time.

    Is there really anybody out there who can spin the truth enough to call this a health service?

    September 20th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
  21. Halo says:

    I'm in total support of Planned Parenthood opening anywhere that unbiased, affordable, and non-threatening medical support is needed. I'm a patient, I'm a donator, and I spread the word of how important a facility like this is. I was turned onto it by a friend, and I then turned 5 of my other friends into Planned Parenthood patients. We all support this facility opening in Aurora.

    You were all looking SO HARD to find a reason not to open this facility simply because you don't want a Planned to be there. And you found one nessled away in the newspaper section that I bet NOT ONE OF YOU has EVER even remotely glanced at. Or do you spend your mornings carefully flipping through the pages, reading all that extra fine print with a magnifying glass making sure that everyone is following the rules? I'd safely bet not. This has NOTHING to do with documents that weren't filled out correctly, or submitted with every 'T' crossed and every 'I' dotted. Stop hiding under this guise that paperwork wasn't correctly written up because you really don't care. Let's be real people. If a pet shop was opening in Aurora, and the paperwork wasn't correctly filled out or properly submitted, YOU WOULDN'T CARE! The petshop would open, with no harm, no foul. I'll bet you that there are plenty of shops in YOUR Aurora neighborhood that turned in documents incorrectly, but were still able to open without cause. Reason being…it wasn't a Planned Parenthood. That's all.

    You are LOOKING for a reason not to open a NEEDED facility like this because your close-minded, UNEDUCATED (to the going's on at a Planned location, not in general) people. Take off your rose-colored glasses and look around you! These places HELP women, men, FAMILIES in need! I don't see people holding up 'WE DON'T WANT PLACES THAT DON'T SUBMIT PROPER LEGAL PAPERS IN AURORA!' signs on the news at the rally. I see "WE DON'T WANT ABORTION IN AURORA" signs. That right there tells me you could careless about legal papers. All you care about is stopping someones legal right to freedom of choice…the right to make there own call with there OWN life…and I'm not just refering to abortion, as I'm sure your thinking. However, if you haven't guessed by now, I'm a pro-choice advocate and I can tell you right now…I'd be one of the LAST people on earth to have an abortion. HOWEVER does that give me the right to tell another person not to? Just because you don't like peanut butter, does that mean you have to wrestle the jar out of someone's hand in the isle at the grocery store and tell them "Eating peanut butter is bad! You can't have it!"? Yes, your arguement against Planned Parenthood in Aurora sounds as silly as that folks.

    Please, people of Aurora, stop using this red herring of 'Well, legal documents weren't properly turned in'. Everyone can see through your deception. The fact is, they can resubmit the paperwork, and open for buisness. In fact, they are planning on opening next Friday. The judge told them what they had to do and what they need to resubmit to be open by that date. He did not tell them they had to stay closed forever. He did tell them the steps they need to take to be able to open there doors in a week. And they will do so. And I'll be one of the first in line waiting to walk through those doors. Planned Parenthood does nothing but good for people…does nothing but help people out who have nowhere else to go, or no one to turn to out of fear of being judged. The majority of people go there to recieve medical care for diseases, for counceling, to be taught safe sex practices…to recieve help. Planned Parenthood will always be around.

    To wrap this up, I'd like to pose a question to all who read this…What about when Planned Parenthood obtains the correct paperwork, submits it, and is allowed to open? What then? Will you all of a sudden stop your rally? Throw down your signs and clap and cheer and say "Good Job! You can open now! We can all sleep better tonight knowing those papers are properly filled out and filed!" and make your way back home? Or will you shead this cleverly planned cover and reveal your TRUE intentions? I'm looking forward to finding out…

    ****FAMILY PLANNING IS PRO-FAMILY****

    September 20th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
  22. M says:

    "Planned Parenthood does nothing but good for people…does nothing but help people out who have nowhere else to go, or no one to turn to out of fear of being judged. The majority of people go there to recieve medical care for diseases, for counceling, to be taught safe sex practices…to recieve help. Planned Parenthood will always be around."

    Does nothing but good for people??? Tell that to the millions of aborted souls. Tell that to the women who have mental breakdowns because they are responsible for the loss of human life. Tell that to the young women who suffer physically because of this invasive procedure. Tell that to the young men and women who receive approval for relatively casual sex and end up with a disease or a death sentence despite all of the well-intentioned advice. Tell that to the judge when he is made aware that PP representatives concealed sexual abuse cases from the law. (The snarky person in me would like to point out that IF PP decides to teach spelling to its advocates, then I might have something to get behind……..)

    If you did your research (or at the very least read these bulletin boards carefully – including what is on the bottom of this webpage), you would know by now that there are many options to receive counseling with regard to safer sex practices or with regard to unintentional pregnancies.

    By the way, I'm not certain that murder qualifies as "family planning."

    I can only speak for myself, but my goal in protesting the opening of this facility is actually a group of goals. I hope to make people pause to think about just what it is they are doing, and then perhaps we can save someone – anyone – from making a deadly choice. If one young man or young woman stops to think about the choices they are going to make inside that PP building because they see the prayerful masses outside, then that is a victory in and of itself. If one baby is saved from abortion, that is a victory. I think you get my point.

    The fact that PP committed fraudulent acts in order to open this facility just points to the type of people we are working with here. Let them suffer the consequences (i.e. lost revenue) of their own foolish actions. Their lack of morality will be handled by a higher authority.

    September 20th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
  23. JP says:

    Dear Halo,

    What kind of friend would I be if I knew the peanut butter was poisonous and did nothing to stop you from eating it or at least explain the consequences of eating it…

    Have you ever heard of "Silent No More"? These women have come forth with their testimonies of regret, remorse, nightmares and abuse following abortion. The abortion destroys not only the life of the child but the life of the mother as well.

    If we don't explain to women what abortion really is, who will? Planned Parenthood certainly won't!

    September 20th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
  24. Nancy says:

    I get tired of the whole "constitional arguement" because at one time Slavery was Constitutional and the Supreme Court upheld it with the Dred Scott Decision.

    Legal and moral are not equivalent. I think the Pro-Abortion people should be made a little uncomfortable with this arguement they love to wave. Especially since the descendents of slaves are a prime victim of abortion.

    Yes, abortionist are treading the same ground as their spiritual fathers the anti-abolitionist.

    Thank you, Families Against Planned Parenthood, for your defense of life and of my very neighborhood.

    —- Nancy

    September 20th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
  25. Steve says:

    This is in response to Paul's question. Maybe this information has already been posted elsewhere. From the Aurora planning and development committee notes (I think November 16, 2006), three individuals represented "Gemini":

    Tom R. Lehmann, PE – Appears to be a professional engineer. I found a listing under Joint Commission Resources Inc. that seems to fit.

    David K. Dastur – Appears to be an architect and Senior Principal for Jensen and Halstead in Chicago. Member of AIA. His profile also fits the project.

    Jon Vaznecis – Probably a misspelled or inaccurate name as it does appear in Google.

    These guys built a fortress; think they knew?

    September 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
  26. Steve says:

    I should have said Vaznecis does not appear in Google. Sorry, my bad.

    September 20th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
  27. sarah says:

    The size and shape of an ad or notice does not matter. What matters is what is in them.

    September 20th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
  28. David says:

    Aurora, IL. Local environmental groups recoiled in horror when it was learned today that the large factory-like building built by Aquarius Development Partners LLC was in fact built for BP Amoco to use as an oil refinery. The refinery, which sits on the north end of Aurora, will dump a variety of toxins into the Fox River, environmentalists claim, thus polluting the water supply for the city of Aurora whose wells are further downstream.

    "Nonsense" said JR Ewing of BP, "we have a long history of providing much needed jobs for the community and these protesters are just rabid environmentalist extremists."

    Mayor Weisner could not be reached for comment as he was sailing in his new boat, the SS Sweet Crude which he received as gift from an anonymous donor. Through his spokesbabe, though, his office expressed shock and distress at the revelation. "Neither the mayor nor his cron, er, associates had any idea that Aquarius was really a front for BP" said the spokeslady who was suddenly sporting an unusual Texas drawl.

    Groups of Anti-Job extremists plan to storm city council and one old lady is expected to stand up and simply sing "Imagine."

    September 20th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
  29. Sylvia says:

    For those who try to defend Planned Parenthood by citing other “needed” and “reproductive health care services”, let's take a closer look at what PP is offering, shall we? The vast majority of contraception, the cornerstone of PP's business, involves abortion at the early stages of a baby's development. IUDs, Depo Provera, Norplant, and yes, even the Pill in its many forms, have early abortion as a mode of action. It's called altering the lining of the uterus so that a newly conceived human being cannot implant. Read the scientific literature and package inserts. People like to focus on the changes in cervical mucus that impede sperm movement, but when that fails, as it often does, there is the back-up abortifacient property of altering the uterine lining. So only physical barriers like condoms carry no risk of abortion. But they also carry high failure rates, gauged by unintended pregnancy (roughly 1 in 6 for condoms—the same as playing Russian Roulette with 1 bullet in a 6-shooter). If the pregnancy rate for condoms is so high, imagine the disease transmission rate where viruses are many, many times smaller than sperm. Overall, contraception is a failure. Even the pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute cites that 53% of unplanned pregnancies occurred while contraception was being used. What is PP peddling? Death, disease, and destruction. And that's just physically, not to mention emotionally and spiritually.

    We need a rebirth in chastity, where women and men will come to realize their bodies and their sexuality are intended as gifts from God to be given to their spouses. Does that mean married women should have dozens of children? Not necessarily. There is an alternative: Natural Family Planning (not the “rhythm” method). It's based on sound science (fertility specialists recommend it for achieving pregnancy because it identifies times of fertility.) It's 100% safe, over 99% effective at avoiding pregnancy when need be, and is marriage-building. You can learn more from the Couple to Couple League, http://ccli.org/

    September 20th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
  30. Mike says:

    Sylvia,

    Excellent observation on how contraception really works. Here's a couple of websites which explain it…

    Can contraception cause early abortions?

    http://all.org/article.php?id=10217&PHPSESSID=d6c4aac5ba558445f33333c239f77391

    VIDEO: Animates Pill = Potential Embryonic Abortion.

    http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/05/both_plan_a_and.html#comments

    Listen to Chastity Education Talk by Jason Evert online.

    http://www.pureloveclub.com/seminars/index.php?id=3

    Mike

    September 21st, 2007 at 5:37 am
  31. Halo says:

    I have yet to see a valid responce to my question or post in general. I see that several people have read my comment, however NOT ONE OF YOU have responded to my questions. Why is that? Makes me wonder…

    //Does nothing but good for people??? Tell that to the millions of aborted souls. Tell that to the women who have mental breakdowns because they are responsible for the loss of human life. Tell that to the young women who suffer physically because of this invasive procedure. Tell that to the young men and women who receive approval for relatively casual sex and end up with a disease or a death sentence despite all of the well-intentioned advice. Tell that to the judge when he is made aware that PP representatives concealed sexual abuse cases from the law.//

    I NEVER said I would have an abortion OR that I think it's right. HOWEVER the women and men who made who had an abortion MADE THAT DECISION ON THERE OWN. Whatever you do has a consequence. Yea, they regret it now…but what about when they made the decision in the first place? They didn't think about it and went ahead and had unsafe sex without regarding what might happen. So I have no respect for those people and I don't have sympathy for them. They made a conscious decision to do what they did and they KNEW what they were doing. They made a conscious decision to have sex without protection, and have the abortion. OBVIOUSLY, abortion was the right decision for them when it came down to it, correct? And now they are saying they regret it and are sorry? No, I don't think so. If they had any respect for themselves and what they might bring into this world, they wouldn't have put themselves in that risky position in the first place.

    Again, with regards to your 'casual sex' comment…even with all the advice in the world, people are still going to do what they want to do. So again, IT WAS THERE CHOICE! They went ahead and had unprotected sex and got sick. There problem. And you know who's still there for them to give them help and much needed medicine? Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood doesn't say "HEY! GO HAVE SEX!". They, in fact, support restraining from sex. HOWEVER, when people make THERE OWN CHOICE in whatever matter it is, they had better be prepared for the consequences. I'm greatful Planned is there to help them through it and to provide the protection services they need as someone chooses there own path.

    //If we don’t explain to women what abortion really is, who will? Planned Parenthood certainly won’t!//

    Actually, Planned Parenthood has registered, REAL doctors on site who, before doing the abortion, REQUIRES there patients to go through counseling first in both the medical aspect and MENTAL aspect of having the procedure. They are sent to a professional psychiatrist who talks to them about this important decision first and after that, it's up to the patient what to do. So yes, they are given all the facts ahead of time and are even sent to a psychiatrist to evaluate the situation before they are allowed to take action. AGAIN IT'S PERSONAL CHOICE! EVERY ACTION HAS A CONSEQUENCE! It's time you started understanding that. That is why I don't sympathize with those who fully understand what they are getting into, and yet still go through with it. However, I respect there RIGHT to make the there own choice.

    Planned Parenthood is a blessing to alot of people, myself included. No one is perfect, and it seems to me that anyone who criticizes when something doesn't go as planned, needs to get off there high horse and realize that. I'll be a continued supporter, and so long as we are around, Planned Parenthood will be as well. It's freedom of choice people…you take away someone's right to choose, what's next? How about banning books that you don't agree with? How about banning TV shows that you don't like? Wake up people.

    Again, will anyone give me a valid responce to my initial comment and question? Hm…

    September 21st, 2007 at 7:30 am
  32. Magdalena Hudson says:

    Halo,
    One reason the permit application process was invented in the first place was to permit the community to be able to approve/disapprove of the developement of new buildings and businesses in the area based on the desires of the community. The process is made irrelevant if honesty and accuracy are not enforced. PP intentionally lied on the permit so that they would not be refused admittance into Aurora. It is true that if it were a pet shop that were applying for a permit I would not object. If it was PP applying for a permit I would object. How can I voice my choice if PP lied about their identity? I didn't have a chance to object. If the pet shop lied in the permit process I would expect them to be penalized but would still not object to their entry into the community. Now that it is discovered that it is not an office developement but a PP that is coming in we have to go back to the beginning and see if their permit appication will be accepted.

    It's my understanding that this facility does have a crematorium in it. I read that a resident of the neighborhood said that he is tired of seeing pro-lifers outside of the building. Wait until the clouds of smoke loft into his windows and leave soot on his patio. Do you think he'll 'get tired' of smelling the cremated remains of aborted children?

    At least that's more respectable than the old-fashioned way of disposing of their remains by putting them into an industrial garbage disposal and into the public sewage system.

    Is that something that the City of Aurora should have been told about in the permit process? Do you think that might have had an impact on the permit granting decision?

    So, please tell, why wouldn't you ever have an abortion? Why is it that after 34 years of legalized abortion we have people like Steve Trombley saying that it's good to prevent abortion, thus stigmatizing his patients even further? He brags that PP does more to prevent abortion than all of the pro-lifers ever will. Aside from insulting the intelligence of everyone who hears that, why does he want to prevent abortion?

    It's because everyone knows that it is killing a child and that killing a child is indefensible. It should be prevented. It should be prevented the same way that slavery is prevented.

    September 21st, 2007 at 11:57 am
  33. Renee says:

    Eww. I didn't think of all the hazardous waste that will be produced from that place. Yet another reason the city should have known about this.

    September 21st, 2007 at 1:59 pm
  34. Paul2 says:

    God help us all if procedures like partial-birth abortion are ever deemed acceptable in the eyes of reasonable people? Why did PP fight all the way to the Supreme Court for the right to perform such a barbaric procedure? Thank God The Supreme Court saw through their deceit and said NO to a constitutional right to that barbaric procedure. How can anyone stake their name and reputation to something like that and expect to be supported. May the Aurora City Council also be fortified with strength to continue to battle against these PP nuts

    September 22nd, 2007 at 11:06 pm
  35. Rebecca says:

    Halo,

    You do indeed bring interesting questions to the debate. Questions I have discussed with so many women over the past month or so. Abortion, contraception etc., It is legal and there is a market. I grew up in the inner city…..I got birth control at P.P. Do I advocate that for a 15 yr. old? Do I advocate abortion for a 15yr. old?….or younger? No I do not.

    I realize that socio-economic status is not the only pre-requisite for sexual activity. Those with money and the mind set that all recreational activity is a natural born right, will frequent planned parenthood. Those just "fooling around" will go to planned parenthood. Is that good? No. Does shining the flashlight on that behavior vilify the messenger? No. It should draw attnetion that to those rights that we all discuss comes responsibility. Without responsibility freedom is abused…lost. If you can't defend your behavior or your business based on it's merits then admit to failure. Failure of character, failure of faith. Are we all so indebted to sin that we can't say that? That sexual relationships at young ages when we are not mature enough to handle consequences with people we have no real love for is WRONG.

    Is is hypocritical for me to think this way? No…by God we are supposed to actually get smarter as we age. Think back on what you did and learn to do differently, allow that knowledge to change our future. Not look back and JUSTIFY all our behaviors as our "rights" and move foward with no knowledge or path to correct that behavior. Indulged and entitled masses with no responsibility. Hmmmmm. sounds about right.

    Education is a term that pro choice people use a lot. I tell them that education comes from a source, if the source is lying then how good is it? Were the German people educated correctly by Hitler? Are those in the deep south that believed and believe that afro- americans are less than human educated? They would say so? Yes. Are those who are told that when you feel like having sex it's ok to do so educated? No they use how someone is feeling as a basis for justification and fact.

    All points of view learn from the other but it does not sway me from what is right. People make MISTAKES and giving them the easy out and no lasting support is wrong. It will never change the situation. As humans we are all swayed by our emotions and the here and now. Planned Parenthood makes a living off of that fact. They don't advocate for abstinence, they advocate for anal and oral sex as safe sex. They administer low dose birth control for minors then take care of the "problem" that ensues.

    Is it here and legal…yes. Should it march on and over countless people without oversight, regulation and responsible legal and moral behavior….NO. The paperwork they failed to disclose was INTENTIONAL. That deception as well as their tactics to malign the opposition and the tactics to "educate" people who are not ready to engage in sex is deplorable. Permits or not they don't get a free ride on my watch.

    That's education….a moral, spiritual, legal and ethical one. Throw in some personal experience and a dash of civic responsibility (huh? what's that?) and you have a point.

    We do owe it to those less fortunate to advocate for them. There is no future if people don't learn and correct BEHAVIOR. Not just clean up and feeble attempts at prevention. I could tell you people have right to drink….but not drink and drive. People have a right to protect themselves…but not endanger others in the process. All rights have responsibilty and is inclusive of the solo party….when it affects others (the unborn, the community) than there are many voices are entitled to speak.

    Will Planned Parenthoods be around forever? If it's legal I assume so, however I expect oversight and responibility from this business towards minors to be examined and I expect well meaning christians to be a part in that process for life. Shining the light on the behavior…shining the way, the truth and the light. Someone has to do it.

    September 25th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
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