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Fox Valley Families Against Planned Parenthood

Big Win for Life Today in Federal Court!

Posted by Eric Scheidler on Thursday, September 20th, 2007

Outside the Federal Court, 9/20/07I don't have time for more than just a quick note here; I'll update later. We won big today in federal court today. Judge Charles Norgle denied Planned Parenthood's request for a preliminary injunction that would have forced Aurora to issue an occupancy permit so they could open for business.

This means that Planned Parenthood will remain closed while the investigation into their dealings with the City of Aurora continues. Aurora remains abortion-free!

So what's next?

We need to go back to the City Council this Tuesday, September 25. If you'd like to speak—especially if you're an Aurora resident—call the City Clerk's office at 630-844-3615 to sign up. When you're asked what you want to comment on, say "the investigation into Planned Parenthood."

Please come to the City Council meeting Tuesday even if you don't wish to speak. We'll gather at 5:00 p.m. in the courtyard for praise and worship ahead of the 6:00 p.m. meeting.

Here's what we're asking: Once Kane County State's Attorney John Barsanti reviews the reports supplied by Richard Martens and Philip Leutkehans (sp?), we want the City Council to discuss those findings in an open City Council meeting, and vote on exactly how the City ought to respond to those findings and any recommendation from Barsanti.

This issue is far too important for anything less. We've been down to Federal Court twice about this. Nothing short of a full discussion in the City Council, with our elected representatives voting openly on what action to take, will suffice to maintain the integrity of our government here in Aurora.

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29 Responses to “Big Win for Life Today in Federal Court!”

  1. Mike says:

    Just a reminder everyone — Don't let up and relax now.

    Stay GROUNDED IN PRAYER. Prayer is our strongest weapon.

    It's nice to have the court victory today but we must continue to PRAY.

    Mike

    September 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
  2. Natalie says:

    Amen, Mike. I don't believe this court victory would have happened without the prayers of the faithful for the last 40 days.

    The prayer of righteous man is powerful and effective. James 5:16

    September 20th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
  3. Paul says:

    Mike and Natalie,

    I want to second what you are saying about prayer.
    Prayer and action is how we will be victors in Christ. The victory may not come tomorrow, next week or even next year. That is why we must pray for perseverance. "Pray without ceasing!"

    I would like to encourage everyone who comes to the Prayer Vigils to actually PRAY, and not stand around talking. Standing around talking is just what the devil wants us to do. Instead we need to really unite with one another in prayer. If you are not Catholic and cannot pray the Rosary with Catholics, then pray the Psalms. I'd like to suggest that every hour at the vigil, at least two Psalms be read. This could be done by small groups, alternating the verses with each other. Conclude each Psalm with the prayer: "Glory be to the Father." Also, Scripture reading is highly encouraged, especially the Gospels.

    But please, no more standing around talking for hours on end. That is not what we are there for. Short greetings and sharing are fine and encouraged. But if you must have long conversations, please do so in the parking area or at least away from the prayer vigil site. Thank you and God bless you.

    September 21st, 2007 at 3:23 am
  4. Tim says:

    Paul,

    With all due respect, the vigil site is not only for prayer, although it is definately encouraged. Some come for fellowship and to celebrate life. Some come to get information and strategy as it has been proven the local news cannot be trusted to present the story accurately. Some come to stare the devil in the eye and proclaim they are not afraid. Some come to make their presence known that PP should leave Aurora. Some come in opposition of PP and have no religious affiliation, they just know PP is bad. Some come for prayer.
    Whatever your reasons are, it is important to be there and show PP they are not welcome in the Aurora community. Come one, come all, it is the right thing to do. And yes I encourage prayers at the PP site and everywhere else for that matter. United we stand.
    God Bless and best regards,
    Tim

    September 21st, 2007 at 7:10 am
  5. Kathi says:

    Dittos Tim, I think it's important some form of community develops, we may be along time on that sidewalk. There is plenty of room on the sidewalk for both praying and talking. Prayer definately changes things. Thanks be to God for yesterdays court victory!!

    September 21st, 2007 at 9:05 am
  6. Eric Scheidler says:

    I'd like to suggest a middle course to what Paul and Tim are proposing.

    I think Tim's right that fellowship and strategic planning are appropriate at the Vigil site. By necessity I do a lot of planning there—that's where I see a lot of people, and urgent phone calls are always coming in. It's also the best spot to talk to media.

    But Paul's right that prayer has to be the first priority, and we should be sure not to let the continuous offering of prayer be disrupted.

    I think the important thing is not to let fellowship and discussion disrupt anyone's prayer time. Avoid holding conversation near where people are praying, and take care not to engage anyone in conversation who would prefer to be praying (sometimes people are too polite to say so, so just take care).

    September 21st, 2007 at 10:38 am
  7. Renee says:

    I would add that if it is in the later part of the evening to keep your voices down so as not to give any reason for neighbors to be disturbed. I was there at 11:00pm and the discussions were lively and loud. I think we should be respectful of the neighbors. I was very gratified at the number of people there, so I am not meaning to complain, but its just a suggestion.

    September 21st, 2007 at 11:15 am
  8. Net says:

    Have you all seen the Sun Times Commentary of yesterday, LET AURORA CLINIC OPEN? Here's a rebuttal from Fighting Irish Thomas. And by the way, the Commentary has since been removed from the net so I couldn't link to it. Hhhhmmmm.

    September 21st, 2007 at 1:11 pm
  9. Net says:

    Whoops!!! WRONG link … let's try again … here you go!

    September 21st, 2007 at 1:12 pm
  10. Paul says:

    Eric,

    Thank you for clarifying what I was trying to say.

    I thought that we are having an ongoing prayer vigil at the site. Of course we are carrying on other important and appropriate activities there at the appropriate times. But Eric started the Prayer Vigil 44 days ago and has extended it for the time being. If this place ever opens, we will continue the Prayer Vigil with all sincerity and diligence, and be the onsite prayer warriors for sidewalk counselors.

    I'm not against fellowship and community building.
    But I was there last night after the Amazing Grace Dinner, from before 10:00 pm and until Midnight praying with basically only one other person the entire time, while many people talked constantly during this time. We invited some of them to pray with us, but only a few actually did, while the rest went on talking and talking. Late at night there should be a very quiet presence, and the activity should be prayer. I'm as much a talker as anyone. I also love to protest and picket.

    I just want to encourage everyone to pray. We won't accomplish much without prayer, and prayer is needed now more than ever. This is an encouragement, not a criticism. Thank you.

    In Christ Jesus,

    Paul

    September 21st, 2007 at 2:34 pm
  11. Stacy says:

    I think all of you that are against the PP are selfish. Let's face it Jesus was not selfish he was kind forgiving. Your trying to stop women to a choice of health options. I don't think it's right because these people apparently did something wrong. It's because it's your religious beliefs to be thrown upon others. If it wasn't for PP being around my life would of been ruined. We are allowed to have a choice. Just as we are allowed to have the right for seperation between church and state. I used to be Pro-Life up till a few years ago. Trust me I'm not a teen either. I guess people like you have to wait until your really in a bad situation such as poverty. Then forced to see if you can live with the decisions of living with the consequences of knowing you gave your child up for adoption. Some people can't live with that guilt because of your religious motives. So yes, people do opt the alternative of abortion. Again this is a womans decision that they chose to live with. Would you rather have people do it safely or do the unspeakable because they can't live with themselves period and endanger themselves? Next, thank god for centers like these. As mother who was not educated properly coming from a broken home. These people sat me down made me feel confortable and gave me my options. They never force you into your choice either. Your choices are informed most definitely. As you guys sit here on this site being holy. Trust me this fight is not over not by a long shot. Our choice has been preserved in many states and this state will be too. By the way this has not been a secret that they were going to aurora. I known for a long time way before. This was no secret that they exist. They have been advertised on B96 & 103.5 Kiss FM. So Guess what folks your antic's have just been caught up. What are u gonna do now protest on there door? Maybe get off your christian stations and little bubble worlds. They are the 2 most popular radio stations in chicago most listen too! So GIVE IT UP! Trust me people like me WILL support Planned parenthood chicago as long as I live.

    September 21st, 2007 at 3:30 pm
  12. Renee says:

    We're praying for you, Stacy.

    September 21st, 2007 at 3:47 pm
  13. Net says:

    Stacy … many women feel as you do for the same reasons. It is horribly difficult to go through a pregnancy when you haven't got the money to buy your own lunch. And then there's all the work involved with pregnancy. The whole thing is a physical and emotional burden for nine long months when you don't want the child to begin with. Being poor makes you a huge target for Planned Parenthood, though. They will make your pregnancy go away for you, and you pay them some of your hard-earned dollars, and whether it comes from an employer, the state, or disability, it's still hard earned. You say they have helped you and your life would be ruined without them. But what did they provide? Your comments are somewhat solid Stacy. It's easy to put down a rich college kid who is so stuck on herself, she wouldn't dream of "wasting" her time having some leech of a baby while she "hits the books," "parties hardy," and "lives the college life to its fullest." But to be poor, from a broken home, and so emotional you couldn't stand to give your baby up … well, that is a tough scenario indeed. (I don't know if you're talking about yourself here or someone else, but surely many are in this position regardless.) However, with a higher power in your life (Christ!), much changes with your ability to tolerate all sorts of situations. And being "holy" as you say (although most of us would say we desire to be holy and we surely aren't there yet) is what we are hoping for for the mothers, their babies, and their lives so that they can eventually move along a brighter path and not make painful errors (remember, the baby dies in this procedure!). I do not feel as you do that Planned Parenthood is a great organization. I feel since they are able to kill the most helpless of human beings, that makes them monsters in ALL situations. If you could hear the babies scream, Stacy, you would tell another story. The good Lord loves you, of course, and yes, you are right, He forgives too.

    September 21st, 2007 at 6:09 pm
  14. Mike says:

    Stacy,

    Remember Our Heavenly Mother, Mary was poor, unmarried and homeless and yet she choose life for the Baby Jesus.

    At conception God has already chosen life for your unborn baby. I believe we all need to follow in the footsteps of Our Mother, Mary. We therefore need to always choose life!

    Mike (Pro God's Choice, Pro Woman and Pro-Life)

    September 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pm
  15. Erin says:

    Stacy–

    You sound very angry and bitter toward the pro-life community. I think it is very unfortunate if you have met anyone supporting the Right to Life who stirred this anger in you. If you have, I apologize as a member of that community. However, I want to point out that we are people who are peacefully praying for women and children, who do indeed spend time and money and effort seeking to help women who are pregnant and families who are in difficult situations. We're not just standing on the sidelines pointing fingers. We're wanting to talk, to listen, to counsel, to provide emotional and physical support.

    I understand your point, that some women are in a very difficult situation in an unplanned pregnancy, and that abortion can make some of those difficulties, like financial burdens, go away. But, at what price? At the price of choosing to end a life. All human beings need to realize that once a woman (and her partner) are pregnant, they are parents and need to make responsible decisions for the child they are carrying. It is panic-inducing, it is life-changing, it is horribly scary. But it is the truth. Being in denial about that doesn't change anything.

    I pray that you see God's truth–that He values every life from the moment of conception–and I pray that you peace.

    September 21st, 2007 at 7:22 pm
  16. Rebecca says:

    I AGREE ABOUT THE NEED FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY PRAY! LET'S all show leadership when we are out there and invite people who are chit-chatting to pray with us.

    Also- it would be beautiful if people who know how to say the Divine Office could bring their brevaries and pray an office as well as the rosary. I did Evening Prayer today and could not help but notice how apropos the psalms and readings were today.

    So if anyone would like to organize that, I would love to know. Would love to get together with others to pray the Prayer of the Church out there.

    God Bless You All.

    September 21st, 2007 at 7:43 pm
  17. Rebecca says:

    Would anyone like to meet to pray the rosary and the Divine Office? I prayed the Divine OFfice out there today and the readings were so appropriate, but it would have been wonderful to share that prayer experience with a group.

    September 21st, 2007 at 7:48 pm
  18. Rebecca says:

    Could we invite church vocal groups to come out and sing pro-life songs (during the day) as a form of witness and prayer, and as a way of filling up the time slots?

    September 21st, 2007 at 7:52 pm
  19. Jody says:

    We’re praying for you too, though we can’t be there in person!

    I lost my first two children to abortion. Planned Parenthood offered me no other options. A woman in a crisis pregnancy is not in her right mind and Planned Parenthood takes advantage of this!

    We command you to the foot of the cross Planned Parenthood!

    September 22nd, 2007 at 9:13 am
  20. Jody says:

    Stacy,

    I didn't regret my abortions for a long, long time. You may, or may not ever regret. They are our children, and they had no choice. Just know that there's healing, through groups like Rachel's Vineyard.

    For my children, who I've named, who I've cried for, who my heart broke open for, finally, finally. The truth will set us free. God's peace to you.

    September 22nd, 2007 at 9:19 am
  21. Diane says:

    I was at the Vigil site on Thursday after the dinner and I must apologize for being one of those talking. I did try to get one of the men I was talking to to keep his voice down but he was very upset and kept getting louder. I was unable to get farther down the sidewalk to pray because of my wheelchair and the narrowness of the area since the fence was put in. I wanted to pray, I was in a prayerful state of mind but was unable to do so. Again, my apologies ~ Diane

    September 22nd, 2007 at 11:36 am
  22. Stacy says:

    Erin,

    I appreciate your comments very much. However, I would like to address some of the comments yourself and others have written.

    Planned parenthood is not what people say it is in terms of services. They do provide options and offer services of council. They do offer options of abortion, adoption, & medical. It may not be in a spiritual based because this is not a religious organization. They do not try to make anyone try to opt about having an abortion what so ever. I do know of one abortion clinic that does not offer council, adoption options, etc. Just straight up abortion procedures. So yes, those who protest outside its door everyday & it's in aurora. Yes, folks like you have a valid point to be there. Now a service comes along offering those things coming to aurora. You’re dead wrong. Let them set the example to others out in the town of aurora that do practice like that how wrong they are. Infact, it would run those doctors straight out of business. Those doctors who strictly do that are a business. I truly believe the old fashion thinking of the 50’s 60’s etc. The stats will go down as true education is administered and diversity is introduced.

    I know many people of all ages who use pp services. I will tell you people's ages range from about 35 years on down. People I have talk to who use its services in this area are being responsible. These are educated people due to planned parenthoods measures. They don't make you feel uncomfortable but don't promote the party style life and run off and have a 100 sex partners either. They will inform you it's unhealthy and tell you the risks. If you want graphic detail trust me I'm sure they won't have a problem giving it to them. I give these young folks credit for going somewhere including those that can't talk to there own parents. In fear of old belief system some parents were raised with. Yes, children of those parents still exist. Birth control, sex, abortion are never easy topics for anyone to talk about. It’s more difficult for younger folks than older. Wouldn’t it be better for the education to travel a little farther for services? It only helps the poverty or low-income residents be able to connect in a positive light. Not for hook ups, drugs, partying, or anything like that.

    Next, I want to point out religious based services have many flaws to. They are absolutely not perfect in it's counseling services or offering services either. If you don't know why don't you ask someone who was given bad advice? People walk out of planned parenthoods that have tried. Don't kid yourself not everyone that goes to a pp just thinks abortion is the answer. Some have babies by getting the right counseling because of pp. Some decide to go with abortion because it's been a more informed decision, and they feel they can live with that decision for the rest of their life. Others choose to opt for adoption again they have to live with the decision for the rest of their life. There is always a risk with all three! The system is flawed but making the best choice for one's self has to be an informed one. If one does not have a religious bone in there body they choose that life. They don't have an interest involving religion as part of the informed decision it's a choice. Women have to be able to live with themselves and sleep at night. How can one sleep at night with protesters? How can one sleep at night fearing of people being outside pp's and being embarrassed. When they might be going in just to take care of simple responsibility. That may include just picking up birth control. Don't you think irresponsibility can come in different forms from organizations like yours?

    Next, I have started to review some of the things that claims pp has violated laws etc. I will tell you I have a lot of dealings with contractors and permits & planning commissions quiet a bit. I'm checking into a few things before I make a final judgment if pp violated anything. I do have one question raised but have to wait till Monday to check on it. It very well could be an error on the cities part not pp or the contractor. When I get all the fact's I will give you my opinion. The courts are well messed up too as it is not equal justice as people like to say. I can honestly tell you it is from experience. Then again if anything went wrong on any paperwork it could be religious based due to the contractor's belief. PP may not be aware of it people do things to sabotage construction projects everyday.

    What is more scary is organizations that camp out of pp's who don't have abortion clinic's. YES! Naperville pp has had it done. To scare younger people about the thought of just using birth control. Unless this organization was responsible or some party from here was doing it's homework too. Yet, scaring those by approaching people just wanting to talk and making them feel uncomfortable. If it's not then it wasn't this organization this is not a direct accusation that it was this organization. If it was can we expect the truth? Several organizations like this can lie and play innocent too. Can you understand the fear? Isn't there enough pressure of people who really force their belief's of pro-life? How would it make you feel if we protested choice across the street from your churches? Came up on your church's property to try to talk to you about pro-choice in a pressure way with graphic pictures of the consequences of people not being able to live with the right choice? You would feel uncomfortable? Deep down inside if it was done day after day. Would you wonder if a simple choice of your belief would end you as a target of something worse? Again, I would watch were the rocks are being thrown. Is this organization going to protest if pp does get a chance to open?

    I have solid facts and experiences. Everyone can sit here and speculate what my involvement was or who it may be. Does it really matter at the end of YOUR day? Absolutely not what should matter is what matters to myself . The same issues and scenario's exist among many women. If you have a counseling service that should be an option to offer pp. That is what they are about options, options, and options. They do have a religious option out source but no two religious organizations are the same. Instead of protesting maybe you should working with them. They are not moneymakers not by far. It comes down to a choice you can live with at the end of the day and having to deal with it for the rest of your life. Those choices should be private without interference or prejudice.

    With that said I would suggest that you invite pp to sit down and have a conversation with them and offer your help if you think something is wrong. Other than they should not be there. Any way this goes they are going to show up. You can either be together as brothers and sisters in christ and be supportive of others and be fair. Or those of pro-choice will judge you as you are judging them for being there to help others in time of need.

    September 22nd, 2007 at 3:21 pm
  23. Paul2 says:

    Stacy,
    If I were to sit down and talk with them the first question I would ask is how in the world could you go to the Supreme Court and fight for the right to partial birth abortion.

    The procedure is barbaric and this is what they stand for. May God help us all if this type of thing ever stands in the eyes of reasonable people.

    Paul

    September 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 pm
  24. Jerry Nickels says:

    Hi Stacy and other PP supporters:
    I suspect most pro-lifers would welcome the opportunity to dialog with PP supporters. There does however seem to be a lot of contempt and anger directed at pro-lifers–not exactly fertile ground for rational discussion. Even PP's CEO remarked tongue in cheek early on in the vigil that he wished we had plenty of water because it was hot outside, and then on top of that he proceeded to publish the slanderous full page ads claiming we were violent etc.
    I do not claim we are perfect, in fact most of us are keenly aware of our weaknesses and failings. But violent and judgemental are hard ones to pin on us. We are your peaceable neighbors and your co-workers, and certainly not your judges.

    September 23rd, 2007 at 3:26 pm
  25. Dawn says:

    Stacy,
    As long as WE live we will support LIFE. Life of the mother AND her unborn baby. We will not "give it up".

    It is a selfish world we live in that says abortion is the answer. Abortion exists because the society as a whole is too lazy to take the hard road and truly offer these mothers hope and support. The faith based community tries its' best with the resources it has available to offer real help. But we can't do it all and the society at large would rather toss away human beings because they don't want to be bothered by some other womans' problems. You don't see the pro-choice community starting up pregnacy information centers or maternity homes. I think many who support choice just don't want to have to step up to the plate and help a fellow human being in need. They would rather just exist in their own little bubble of self satisfaction. They have a "leave me alone and i'll leave you alone" attitude.

    When the community is in need, whether it be to feed the poor or shelter the homeless, the churches are the first to step up to the plate and volunteer their time and talents. We don't toss people aside, whether born or unborn.

    And if pro-choicers want to rally outside my church – well, then more power to 'em. I doubt they'd be able to muster enough participants to make a difference. You see, because in the end many people who support abortion know in the very core of their being that killing babies is wrong and wouldn't be very proud about standing up in the street to support the continued slaughter of human beings.

    In the end, pro-abortion comes down to the death of a person – a real live human being. How any one can be proud of that?

    You also don't state it in your post but you imply that you yourself had an abortion. If this is true, then do you not ever imagine what your son or daughter might be like today? Do you not every feel pain over your choice? Do you ever wish someone would have taken your hand and offered you life and assistance for your baby? I just feel that women deserve better than death for their baby.

    Many of the prayers being offered outside the clinic at this very moment have been offered up for you Stacy – for you and other women who have been touched by abortion. May God bless you.

    September 24th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
  26. Net says:

    Jody, good post. And very accurate. It can take decades before one truly heals, and then the scars are, of course, still there. But they a good reminder for hope and for continuing the spread of truth. I've named my daughter too. It's a better way to communicate with her. She's a ringleader up there. I've thusly appointed her!:)

    September 27th, 2007 at 5:15 am
  27. Stacy says:

    Dawn,

    It's really sad that you say that I imply that I had an abortion. I think that is really a statement to start a fight as to cut my character down. I wouldn't go assuming that is definitely for sure. Did you not even read what I said that there are MANY WOMEN in the same scenarios? How many people are really in this world think about it? How do you know for sure I had to sit and watch someone have to make this decision and had the options? You will never know now would you? Be very careful of your statement and the word imply since your statement implies as well.

    Now to the rest of everyone. Folks do not chose faith based ways to make a decision period. Just to let you know you will NEVER understand the legal aspects of the case until your actually trained in the field of law & actually have experience. Everyone screams how unfair it is when it is that you do lose. We all have a constitutional right to be free bottom line. Again, everyone here keeps saying pp is out for people money and ecourage abortion. I would LOVE to see proof other than talk and then look at the source.

    Lastly, a statement was made about pro-choice people are welcome about going to your churchs to pro-test but won't get far? Well your right just as your in the same boat. Were smarter than that. We settle it in the court rooms not in the courts where people can leave with diginity not pp and make people ashamed. YOU DIDN'T GET FAR! Where did it get you? PP is still going to open. What are you going to do rally everyday outside? HMMMM. Will anyone really be listening? Now I'm hearing libel lawsuit coming? Come on people let's get real here. Again you will have no merit for several reasons.

    Let's address that pp did things illegal in its application. I deal with planning & zoning on an everyday basis. If you guys don't know the laws and what people are entitled to do. Then all your going to do is make this organization look bad. THe way pp went about doing it was perfectly legal. People do it not just in medical but in residential, commerical not just here in Illinois but EVERYWHERE! Folks end up losing then end up getting sued for all the damages that have incurred due to the frivilous lawsuit. I wouldn't be surprise but you might get lucky pp doesn't sue organization because they would be in their legal right to do so. Again, I don't expect folks to understand this. This doesn't make them stupid it makes them uneducated about our laws that govern the ordinaces. Law is not an easy subject matter to study unless your taught correctly about procedures. It's many hours of study, nerve racking reseach, and reasoning. What do you think it costs so much to go to law school or a school of similar. It's easy to say how unfair something is when people start talking jibberish to a subject matter that they obviously have no experince in. If you can't get someone to do there homework then expect to look like fools. So if your going to pick a fair fight chose them wisely. Judges do not get paid off not by far. Judges are attorney's too and are held to the same ethical standards.

    October 1st, 2007 at 7:49 pm
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